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Aaron Seigo Talks About the KDE SC 5.0, More
By special contributor suka on 2011-08-25 22:19:40
"After years of focusing on further improving KDE4 two weeks ago the developers of the free desktop announced the next big step for their project: KDE Frameworks 5.0. But as long-time developer - and Plasma team leader - Aaron Seigo points out in an interview with derStandard.at/web, the source-incompatible changes shall be held to a minimum. Also calls Frameworks 5.0 only the "first step", new Applications and Workspace releases are to follow later, Seigo goes on to talk about the chances in the mobile market with Plasma Active and further areas of collaboration with the other big free desktop: GNOME."
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You can throw stones at me, but...
By protomank on 2011-08-25 23:28:00
I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version.

I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path.

Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)?

I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).
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RE: You can throw stones at me, but...
By lemur2 on 2011-08-25 23:51:36
> I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version. I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path. Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)? I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).

If you don't use its advanced features, then it is essentially no different on the surface (the UI) to other desktops such as XFCE. Except of course that underneath the UI KDE4 has the abstraction layers Phonon and Solid which provide applications with a more stable API than any that XFCE provides. Except of course that it provides a better environment under which to run KDE apps and Qt apps and an equivalent environment under which to run GTK apps compared to XFCE. Oh, and except of course that the KDE Software Collection, as a whole, is far far in advance of the XFCE default application set.

Since, if you don't use its advanced features, it is superficially no different to other desktops, except that it has better desktop applications (Dolphin, Okular, Gwenview, K3B et al), why not simply run it and enjoy it as such? Why do you feel a need to complain about it, and risk having rocks thrown at you, simply because it does in fact have advanced features which you don't happen to use?

Why not simply let advanced users use the advanced features, and be done with it? Live and let live.

KDE3 is not faster than KDE4, BTW, in fact KDE4 can use GPU hardware acceleration, such that it can even run on low-powered mobile phones and tablets using OpenGL ES. Also bear in mind that KDE3 relies on some technologies which are defunct and no longer supported, such as Qt3 and aRts.

Edited 2011-08-25 23:57 UTC
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The Next KDE release will rock!!! or will it?
By fast_rizwaan on 2011-08-26 00:01:29
It is always the "NEXT" KDE release claimed to be a miracle.

But before the THIS release becomes anywhere usable... Again start talking about THE NEXT big thing...

Great work as always!
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RE[2]: You can throw stones at me, but...
By cb88 on 2011-08-26 00:07:38
Well I would bash KDE 4 but its flaws should be obvious enough to anyone that tires to run it on slower hardware (anything without opengl support or anything with a slow CPU or lack of ram)

KDE 3.x was good and I like Trinity desktop alot.... e17 and accociated libraries probably blow it away in the performance aspect and I hope that KDE 5 looks toward that direction and leaves all this nonsense behind.
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5 already
By Bringbackanonposting on 2011-08-26 00:20:22
Such a rush to go to the next major version...
Wouldn't it be nice if they could slow down and make minor improvements not to mention get some parts of KDE useable for more people (Kontact/Kolab/Groupware). I'm still stuck using Thunderbird and it's addressbook/LDAP. Like the first comment on here, I don't fool around much with what I get by default but would really like to use "more" of KDE as my example shows. Nothing wrong with having all the customization etc, doesn't get in my road at all. KDE is still my preferred DE, has been since KDE 1x.
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RE: The Next KDE release will rock!!! or will it?
By FishB8 on 2011-08-26 00:20:27
KDE 5 is not the "next big thing". It's the "next little thing". It is not planned to be the same type of complete overhaul as 4.0 was. It simply looks like a good excuse to get rid of some old API/ABI stuff that has been retained for compatibility reasons, and better integration between Qt and KDE. That's about it. Everything else looks to be incremental changes the same as you get between minor versions.
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RE: You can throw stones at me, but...
By fast_rizwaan on 2011-08-26 00:33:24
> I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version.
Totally, and most users simply hate those "visionary" features too.

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I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path.

Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)?


Rightly said, KDE is not there to make a great Linux Desktop or to solve the problems users are facing or to make a real productive open source desktop instead KDE is by all means an advertisement for QT toolkit sales.
And now to sell QT5, it needs a bigger advertisement, so here come KDE 5 advertisement.

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I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).


and no prize to guess why users in KDE use firefox or chrome or opera and openoffice or libreoffice suite!
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I'm loving it.
By dc.ricardo on 2011-08-26 01:49:37
Running Fedora 15 with KDE 4.6 on my notebook for 1 month. Man, it took some time, but Activities combined with Widgets really seems to be good thing. It feels like I'm using a very advanced system. I have to tweak it a little but now everything runs smooth. Seigo is a very talent developer.
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RE[3]: You can throw stones at me, but...
By lemur2 on 2011-08-26 01:49:49
> Well I would bash KDE 4 but its flaws should be obvious enough to anyone that tires to run it on slower hardware (anything without opengl support or anything with a slow CPU or lack of ram) KDE 3.x was good and I like Trinity desktop alot.... e17 and accociated libraries probably blow it away in the performance aspect and I hope that KDE 5 looks toward that direction and leaves all this nonsense behind.

This is all mere unsupported allegation. I run KDE4 on a recent but low-end, under-powered, low-RAM netbook, and it runs just fine. I have encountered no hardware that used to run KDE3 well that cannot now run KDE4 just as well.

Indeed there may well be old hardware out there with no GPU, a slow CPU and a lack of RAM ... but such hardware will not run ANY recent full-featured OS well. If you have such hardware you have no hope of running KDE4, GNOME, Windows 7, Mac OSX Lion or whatever on it, something like Puppy Linux is probably your only choice.

My question for you is this: why is an observation that there happen to be some older machines still out there which will not run KDE4, GNOME, XFCE, Windows 7 or Mac OSX well in any way a valid criticism of KDE4 in particular?

Hmmmm?
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RE: I'm loving it.
By lemur2 on 2011-08-26 02:02:54
> Running Fedora 15 with KDE 4.6 on my notebook for 1 month. Man, it took some time, but Activities combined with Widgets really seems to be good thing. It feels like I'm using a very advanced system. I have to tweak it a little but now everything runs smooth. Seigo is a very talent developer.

Indeed. Once you understand the concept, KDE4 widgets, virtual desktops and activities is a means to arrange a desktop however you like, including wallpaper, shortcuts, URLs to websites, access to particular folders and/or files, whatever (including anything at all you could do with a KDE3 desktop) ... and save that arrangement as a named "activity". One can have as many named and saved activities as one wants, and one can load a given activity on to any given virtual desktop at one's whim.

This makes it possible to have any number of desktop configurations, all accessible at any instant, each of which is optimised just how you like it for doing a particular task. You don't have to use this capability, but it is there if you want it.

There is no other contemporary desktop available with this power and flexibility. None.

Edited 2011-08-26 02:06 UTC
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