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| Fedora 16 Released |
| By special contributor Hiev on 2011-11-08 22:45:59 |
| "The following are major features for Fedora 16: enhanced cloud support including Aeolus Conductor, Condor Cloud, HekaFS, OpenStack and pacemaker-cloud; KDE Plasma workspaces 4.7; GNOME 3.2; a number of core system improvements including GRUB 2 and the removal of HAL; an updated libvirtd, trusted boot, guest inspection, virtual lock manager and a pvops based kernel for Xen all improve virtualization support." |
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| Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By Jason Bourne on 2011-11-09 01:16:19 |
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[This is about Fedora 16 Default Desktop Edition] GNOME Shell was really well marketed. Yes. Why do I keep trying it? It must be psychological or a desperation to solve the desktop dilemma in my soul. I tried GNOME Shell so many times, and unfortunately, things remain the same. All in the same place. Horrible fonts, some crashes, and a navigation / interaction system I can't understand. Not that I can't understand. I can. What I can't understand is why everything is so out of place and silly. It's like someone who tried to reinvent the wheel and said - ok, now cars will sport a new design, using octagonal wheels, to prevent more accidents, since people can't be trusted to drive a vehicle good enough. That is the exact metaphor of GNOME Shell for me. Ok, I opened my music player. Now an email client. Now a terminal; now the file manager. Then I go for Empathy, and Firefox. Ok, things got a little too cluttered. So I drag some of them towards the right-side panel workspaces, to alleviate the issue. While I am one application, I have to constantly go to "Activities" to "monitor" what is going on in the background. My eyes can't see much out of a workspace panel... there's not much to see, apart from the fact that I have to select *THAT* workspace and completely let go loose of what I was doing. Was I in Firefox? What was I doing? That is where the Linus' quoted "mess" comes in. And the process keeps going and going. Ok, I have counted now that I went to Activities for at least 100 times in 40 minutes. That is where the Linus' quoted "crazy" comes in. I feel it. Suddenly, my brain gets an apnea. Like sleeping apnea. You stop for a moment, and there's distraction. (In apnea, you get a halt in your breathing system, and your brain wakes you up, not letting you sleep). I browse workspaces all over again to see what I am doing. Ok, I was trying to browse for a file. But Firefox is at another workspace, which means that I have to go back to Activities and move workspaces again just to get to it. That is where the Linus' quoted "head up the arse" comes in. Now I see a established distro making a decision to use this desktop as default. A distro that is preferred by Linus Torvalds himself. And no one to question. Every Fedora user seems to be happy, accepting this. Number 3 at Distrowatch.com, things are calm, quiet. Good enough. Millions using it. That is where the Linus' quote "unholy" comes in. Unholy because despite these facts, everybody is happy with it, accepting as it was the Holy Grail in modern desktop design. Wait, I was told by a GNOME propaganda video that GNOME 3 was made to minimize distraction. Well, I am dsitracted... What now? I am fully distracted because I have to just drop things and go to Activities to take care of other things. Who is the responsible for this entire sh1te? I would at least have fired this group of people. I tried. And I can't use it. Brain apnea. Mess. For people who fire up 3 applications and like to see 3D effects, it might be cool. It may even compete with Google Chrome OS. But... let's be serious. Not a GNOME 2 replacement at all. Unholy Mess - oh he knows what he says. Precisely. Unfortunately, Fedora 14 was my last Fedora. GNOME 3 will eventually hit Red Hat stock product. And this will be another story. All I wanted is that was a huge call out for MATE (GNOME 2 fork). A huge call out from developers everywhere to make this brand into the mainstream and keep us Linux users with sane choices. MATE started with one guy. There may be more now. Lift up the flag. Spread the word. MATE can be even bigger than GNOME. There's still no website. No foundation. We need it. We need the support of all developers. To port MATE to GTK 3, to port new themes, to re-structure the system back end and get rid of silly dependencies. It can be done. Really. This was the last time I used GNOME Shell. Today. And to my surprise, a live Fedora session may/will crash if you start installing stuff. From USB stick or Live CD in RAM. Curiously I havent't experienced this with Ubuntu Live CDs... ever, even after installing tons of apps in a single session. Fedora, blows everything again. It's a shame. Edited 2011-11-09 01:28 UTC |
 - Score: 8 |
| 16 |
| By viton on 2011-11-09 01:19:26 |
| Hmm. I'm still on 13th or so |
| - Score: 2 |
| RE: Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By Hiev on 2011-11-09 01:28:44 |
| Fedora is more than GNOME shell, if you don't like it use the KDE spin or the XFCE spin, don't confuse the DE with the distro. |
| - Score: 5 |
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| By Hiev on 2011-11-09 01:37:43 |
| I gave it a try and they have done wonders with the boot time and with the nouveau drivers, the animations in GNOME-Shell are even smoother than my Ubuntu installation with the propietary NVidia drivers, but I still have the problem that it doesn't detects my Broadcom wireless card, this is something Ubuntu, Mynth, OpenSuse and others do, just not Fedora, but I'll definitive google for a way to install it. |
| - Score: 5 |
| RE[2]: Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By Jason Bourne on 2011-11-09 01:41:16 |
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Did you read the very first line between brackets? Besides, I do not enjoy KDE spins, neither XFCE spins. |
| - Score: 3 |
| RE: Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By fast_rizwaan on 2011-11-09 01:41:16 |
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1 for mess and crazy and "head up the arse" use Alt+tab and ctrl+alt+up/down arrow keys; well only alt+tab will be easier for you. or right-click on the 'dash' icons 2 unholy make it holier by customizing with shortcuts, extensions; just because you dislike some parts of it and don't know how to work with it and feel lazy to learn, that does not make it unholy 3 Wait, I was told by a GNOME propaganda video that GNOME 3 was made to minimize distraction. Well, I am dsitracted... What now? use alt+tab and dash icons (all the activities related distractions will be gone for you); |
| - Score: 2 |
| RE[2]: Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By Jason Bourne on 2011-11-09 01:42:26 |
| Ridiculous. I prefer to go to the gym, instead of this. |
| - Score: 1 |
| RE[3]: Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By Hiev on 2011-11-09 01:58:37 |
| Weird, I was told that the KDE spin of Fedora had the best KDE experience. |
| - Score: 2 |
| RE[3]: Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By grat on 2011-11-09 02:52:19 |
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Your first line is completely undone by your last line: > "Fedora, blows everything again. It's a shame." So, really, you're slamming Fedora because you don't like Gnome 3. I suppose "yum install @kde-desktop" was too tough? Bonus hint: "yum install system-switch-displaymanage r" Slam the DE or slam the distro... if the distro gives you a choice, you can't slam the distro because you don't like the DE. |
| - Score: 2 |
| RE: Trying again GNOME Shell... |
| By vincethewipet on 2011-11-09 02:52:34 |
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"For people who fire up 3 applications and like to see 3D effects, it might be cool. It may even compete with Google Chrome OS. But... let's be serious." I'm uncomfortable when people make that kind of assumption. It's a little insulting for the people who are able to use (and even like) Gnome-Shell for real, complex, work. I'm currently doing my thesis (doctoral degree) under Fedora 16, and I have no problem dealing with lots of windows, on multiple workspaces. I can understand why some people (or even most people) doesn't like Gnome-Shell, and your comment was truly interesting to read, but it's perfectly possible for someone else do adapt to Gnome-Shell, and be very productive with it. |
| - Score: 6 |
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