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Solaris 11 Released
By Thom Holwerda, submitted by Straylight on 2011-11-10 20:45:26
I just emerged, blinking, from the world of Skyrim, only to realise Sun Oracle has released the 11th version of Solaris (well, technically it's the 7th, but okay, we'll roll with it). I'll be honest and upfront about it: Solaris is totally out of my league, and as such, it's very hard for me to properly summarise what this release is all about, so I won't even try.
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Wow
By Adam S on 2011-11-10 20:55:40
Nevada has been Solaris 11 for so long I almost forgot it would one day be an actual release.
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Article's been up all day
By MacMan on 2011-11-10 21:04:00
And this is the first comment?. I guess that shows how much intrest there is in a new version of the now closed source Solaris.

Pity Sun chose an intentionally GPL incompatible license for Solaris, it really could have been something if there was only some more intrest in it from cross pollination with Linux.

I guess Solaris is still free for non comercial use, or something to that extent, though.
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Cloud
By lucas_maximus on 2011-11-10 21:05:45
Thom you obviously don't understand what the "cloud" is.

The internet isn't the cloud, the cloud it is more like the time sharing stuff of the 70s.

It is more "pay to do stuff" on someone else's computer network.

Edited 2011-11-10 21:09 UTC
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RE: Article's been up all day
By lucas_maximus on 2011-11-10 21:09:09
> I guess Solaris is still free for non comercial use, or something to that extent, though.

Yeah it is.

I did use Solaris 10 Express for bits and pieces. Before moving most of the servers to Scientific Linux or OpenBSD.

I remember Zones being the big thing Circa 2006.

I think Solaris is too much "proper unix" ... I remember it being harder to use.
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Nice!
By SReilly on 2011-11-10 21:26:11
...but ultimately doomed I think, no matter what buzz word du jour it uses. I've so many customers jumping ship due astronomical license fee hikes, uncertain future and having bought expensive Sparc hardware three years ago, being expressly (see what I did there?) told it would run Solaris 11 when it came out only then for Oracle to turn around and tell them the hardware can be no older than two years for it to be supported.

I like Solaris, though it has a whole tone of baggage left over from 10 years ago (like root's default home directory being / and sh still being the default shell even though it's no longer a statically linked binary). I just wish Oracle hadn't gotten their grubby mits on it or that Sun had used a BSD license or something.
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RE: Cloud
By ebasconp on 2011-11-10 21:40:25
> The internet isn't the cloud

That is arguable. I don't like the "Cloud" word used in this context. "Services available through Internet" sounds more accurate, more buzz free and more "back to the ground".

When someone says "Cloud" I always remember Web 2.0 and AJAX and other artificially created marketing/press terms calling something already existing but with a more sophisticated name.
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Comment by shmerl
By shmerl on 2011-11-10 21:56:13
I wonder if they now would hold to their promise and release the source, so illumos and OpenIndiana could benefit from the latest improvements.

Edited 2011-11-10 21:56 UTC
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Cloudwashing
By tony on 2011-11-10 22:02:05
A lot of it is "cloudwashing":

Verb: "Taking your product and contriving some kind of relevance to the blah blah cloud".

Solaris used to be the shit, but it became a basket case after the dotcom crash of 2000, especially with respect to x86.

Now, few people care. Even when it was hastily (and GPL-incompatibly) released as open source, it wasn't really embraced.

The greatest thing that came out of Solaris was ZFS, but its usefulness is limited by the fact that it was never GPL compatible, and now it's owned by Oracle (which a lot of IT shops avoid like the plague).

It's got an interesting future in FreeBSD, but again hampered by the lack of some awesome ZFS features (like encryption) that aren't in the FreeBSD release yet.
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RE: Nice!
By abcxyz on 2011-11-10 22:06:25
Now there are many issues about this S11 thing, but this comment calls for a quick fact check.

Root's home in S11 is /root/ (not that I'd get how does that define modernity of an OS) and while there still is /bin/sh (/bin and /sbin being links to /usr/{s,}bin/), it actually runs /usr/bin/ksh93 (and again not sure why would that necessarily be better) esp. it's not a big deal to choose shell of one's liking.

One of my complains about this release would be that development had a lot of the F/OSS vibe and was happening/focusing on engineers desktops. So in fact running it on SPARC for the first time in Solaris' history might see some shortcomings here and there.
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RE[2]: Cloud
By lucas_maximus on 2011-11-10 22:07:10
> That is arguable. I don't like the "Cloud" word used in this context. "Services available through Internet" sounds more accurate, more buzz free and more "back to the ground".

It is a bit of a buzzword however what it means is quite well defined IMO.

> When someone says "Cloud" I always remember Web 2.0 and AJAX and other artificially created marketing/press terms calling something already existing but with a more sophisticated name.

Web 2.0 maybe (TBH I think everyone accepts that WEB 2.0 means user generated content) ... AJAX no ... While there was other ways of updating the page from another server they were extremely hackish.
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