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| Windows 8's desktop mode: Microsoft's 'Classic' |
| By Thom Holwerda on 2012-03-06 23:27:08 |
| As you may have seen, David's been taking care of OSNews for a few days because I'm quite busy with work. Still, there's one thing I'd like to talk about: the desktop mode in Windows 8. I wish I could've added this to the first impressions article, but I only arrived at this conclusion yesterday: desktop mode in Windows 8 is Microsoft's equivalent of Mac OS X's Classic mode. |
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| RE[4]: Metro |
| By Nth_Man on 2012-03-07 22:22:17 |
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> The market has spoken. Sometimes people talk about the market like if it was a person. For example, millions of dollars are spent in marketing to make people buy a product and not the other. Yes, a company, instead of spending their money to make a better product, they spend it in marketing, and they sell more products then. :-( Later they say that if the product sells more, it must be because it's better. McDonald's sells more food than some restaurants that you know, but that doesn't mean that they are the best and that "The market has spoken. Move on" :-( |
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| RE: Mac OS X's Classic mode |
| By andih on 2012-03-07 22:42:50 |
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Must agree with you, how is win7 fantastic? I think it suck in almost every way.. filesystem used ram usage configurability looks and functionality (although much better than xp and vista) scalability (well not made to be a versatile server.. but still sucks bigtime here) security registry (.conf files, yes please) cost Built in DRM etc how installing programs is managed.. (becomes better with new appstore I guess and hope) ++ |
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| They just don't get it |
| By marcus0263 on 2012-03-07 23:27:50 |
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The tool should be structured around the work, not the other way around. I have no reservations that the business world will reject Metro and stick with Win 7. The only other thing that I can think of is MS will have a Desktop for the Enterprise editions. Let's see what will happen |
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| RE[4]: The difference is... |
| By malxau on 2012-03-07 23:44:47 |
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> I am not a desktop developer, but I use ASP.NET and PHP on IIS ... Thanks though for clearing that up. I think this makes my point nicely. IIS isn't able to run in Metro. It can't - the environment is different, and IIS doesn't want to find itself killed or suspended randomly. The class of applications you're writing are permanently scoped to the non-Metro world, with no path into it. So let's hope the "legacy" desktop isn't pure legacy, lest this (and all other server-side code) wouldn't be feasible to run on Windows. This is very different to OS 9 -> OS X where server code could be migrated, and native server code worked much better on OS X than it ever did on OS 9 due to the improved platform functionality. In time OS 9 could be removed wholesale. That's just not what's happening here. |
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| RE[2]: Mac OS X's Classic mode |
| By WereCatf on 2012-03-08 06:56:58 |
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> filesystem used While there are a few filesystems I'd like to be able to use I have to ask you one question here: how does Microsoft's choice of filesystem affect you? Are there some things you cannot do with it but you can do with e.g. ext4? Have you found a performance-regression that no one else is aware of? Or are you just lambasting it for the sake of lambasting it, without any actual real-world scenario behind it to justify such? > ram usage Do clarify, what is wrong with Win7's RAM usage? > registry (.conf files, yes please) Tell that to application developers. There is nothing stopping them from using .conf - files. Also, are you similarly against e.g. gconf2 which is in practice the same thing as Windows registry? |
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| RE: Metro + tiling window manager could work |
| By hoak on 2012-03-08 08:03:33 |
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John, yes there are several TWM's for Windows 7, just a few I've tried (in rough order of my liking them): · http://bugn.berlios.de bug.n · http://code.google.com/p/python-... PWT · http://windawesome.codeplex.com Windawesome · http://palatialsoftware.com/plum... plumb · http://www.winsplit-revolution.c... Winsplit I also agree if a TWM were to be integrated in Metro it would make it a lot more bearable as the current UI can only task switch as far as the end user is concerned, in fact this overlaps into even multiple apps on the Windows 8 desktop when ever you need access to some part of Windows 8 thats now been moved to/embedded in Metro -- the only option you have is task switching. In my humble opinion the only real move forward in UI design is a TWM as it's really the only interface that is really always allowing the Operator to functionally multi-task -- seeing, using and accessing multiple applications or data sources concurrently in real-time with vastly less keyboard and mouse input. Even the windows 7 CWM is primarily a task-switching interface that requires a massive amount of user input just manipulating windows and controls to see what you want to see... The fact that virtually all mission critical interfaces from aircraft MFDs to industrial control systems, fire control, power management and reactor control, mission or life critical telemetry employ some sort of TWM (or application to achieves the same result) speaks volumes to honest, results oriented, form that follows function. Unfortunately, there are as yet no 'glamorous' TWMs that look new and fancy, and only the few that bother two setup and use an actual Tiling Window Manager on a *nix system, of setup one of the applications like one the above on Windows have the experience to know and appreciate why they're so great for a Workstation/Desktop OS... Happy TWMing... =O) Edit: no idea why links look like crap, can't seem to get anything work, but the links themselves... Edited 2012-03-08 08:17 UTC |
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| RE[4]: Metro |
| By Gone fishing on 2012-03-08 09:05:27 |
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Two points 1 HUD is basically non existent in 12.04 it's a feature you can try if you wish. However, when fully up and running it might be good, certainly better than having to Google where something is on the ribbon. 2 People may use a Unity Desktop if they used to using it on there TVs etc. It's a dangerous thing to look into the future an predict what will happen. |
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| RE[4]: Metro |
| By Gone fishing on 2012-03-08 11:44:32 |
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> You're WAY out of touch with the rest of the world there. The general populace does not see things like that, they do not think what "rights" or "freedoms" they have People don't tend to worry too much about freedom until its gone. |
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| RE[2]: fantastic? |
| By Gone fishing on 2012-03-08 11:51:22 |
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> [Windows 7] is pretty solid OS, whatever you say ... I certainly think it the best OS I have used. Shame |
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| RE[5]: The difference is... |
| By lucas_maximus on 2012-03-08 12:23:32 |
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What nonsense are you talking about? IIS runs a service and has nothing to do with Metro. HTML 5 and JS apps run using whats sounds like Trident, C# and VB apps can be used with XAML can use the same APIs as C++ apps. Edited 2012-03-08 12:25 UTC |
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