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| GNOME OS detailed: new application framework, SDK, and more |
| By Thom Holwerda on 2012-08-08 22:29:47 |
| The future of GNOME - an interesting subject. GNOME 3 has been out and about for a while, and it hasn't exactly been a smashing success. One of the efforts to take GNOME to the next level is what the team refers to as GNOME OS - but in reality, it's a set of improvements to GNOME that are just as interesting to GNOME-the-desktop-environment. |
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| RE[3]: Build it, and they will come |
| By ggeldenhuys on 2012-08-09 14:31:12 |
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> I would agree with your last point about unity except I keep having really irritating performance issues, occasional slowdowns and crashes. Exactly what happened to me! I had this issue with K/Ubuntu 12.04, so it must be something they did at kernel level or something. You are right again about the multi-monitor issue too. Gnome 2 started to work really well. |
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| RE[4]: Build it, and they will come |
| By ggeldenhuys on 2012-08-09 14:33:27 |
| I have a one month old high spec machine based on Ivy Bridge. I tried everything, and K/Ubuntu 12.01 simply kept freezing at random times. It was a system wide freeze, even the mouse cursor didn't move. I google'ed around, and I was not the only one experiencing this with 12.01. |
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| RE[3]: Build it, and they will come - to a dead end. |
| By Gullible Jones on 2012-08-09 15:31:55 |
| Perhaps it's a joke, but it provides a much, much more usable interface than Gnome 3. Especially on low-end hardware. |
| - Score: 4 |
| RE: Just what are these guys thinking? |
| By Trevize on 2012-08-09 16:53:50 |
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They're losing developers, maybe making it easier for people who's ideas are more inline with and excited about the project is just what they need. Just because a lot of us want better multi-monitor support doesn't mean it's easy to fit into the current design specification without destroying or diluting it. I think this is just the right move to be making at this point. Attract new developers, and properly examine the framework in order to make calculated expansions into more diverse usage scenarios. Hopefully dconf will get some serious attention with the new HIG, and instead of dropping features that a lot of people rely on they'll most often just provide a toggle for advanced users. And would networked deployment/synchronization of dconf settings be too much to ask? Unfortunately, just because they're updating the HIG doesn't mean they'll be any more open to changes. Here's hoping they open their minds a little bit, and also fix some of the stupid crap that keeps me on CentOS for the time being. Inconsistent MOD4 keybindings, anyone? |
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| RE[5]: Build it, and they will come |
| By zlynx on 2012-08-09 17:56:09 |
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Have you run burn in and RAM tests on your new machine? It may just be me, but the last two desktop machines I built for myself had RAM problems. The last one was pretty sneaky because it was able to complete a full Windows installation without an error. It was some problem with triple-channel configuration because each stick tested perfectly fine by itself. You might also have a heat problem. Perhaps the CPU, the video card or maybe some other motherboard chip. Speaking of video cards, you can end up getting a bad one. It does happen sometimes that a card may have a defective processor, bad RAM or a badly installed heatsink. Or if it's a gaming card, it may be overclocked beyond what it can really handle. |
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| RE[4]: Build it, and they will come - to a dead end. |
| By No it isnt on 2012-08-09 18:02:10 |
| What's "low end" these days? I recently installed Arch Linux with Gnome3 on an Athlon system from 2005, and it ran pretty damn well. The user interface really isn't that bad either. |
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| RE[5]: Build it, and they will come - to a dead end. |
| By Gullible Jones on 2012-08-09 18:11:11 |
| Any netbook, for starters. Or anything at all with a 5400 RPM hard drive. |
| - Score: 2 |
| Remove all the things |
| By Verenkeitin on 2012-08-09 18:45:19 |
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Makes sense. They need total control of the underlying system to remove more things. - Kernel, obviously. Not a single user has ever needed to use that thing. - Support for files and filesystems has got to go. Those things are legacy crud. - Everything to do with unicode. If its not a letter or a number, users don't need it. All those useless characters just confuse people. - Support for multiple processes. Users are already focusing on single task. Time for entire OS to do the same. :-) |
| - Score: 9 |
| RE[2]: Just what are these guys thinking? |
| By _txf_ on 2012-08-09 20:14:51 |
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> They're losing developers, maybe making it easier for people who's ideas are more inline with and excited about the project is just what they need. Because they reject any change that does not fit into their little vision. So basically people see that there is no point in joining such a closed group. Some of the bug reports just make me cry: Somebody reports a bug (an existing feature was being removed/made crazy), fairly detailed and something that should have been addressed. Instead he gets told he is being abusive and shouted down (probably so they wouldn't have to rationalise their decisions). It seems to me that they really don't want contributors to their project. This: > Attract new developers Isn't going to happen until they fix their attitude... Edited 2012-08-09 20:15 UTC |
| - Score: 11 |
| RE[3]: no real alternates |
| By joekiser on 2012-08-09 21:20:40 |
| Most of the changes are fine-tuning, and fall into two categories: the perception of speed (disabling blur by default, changing the delay focus policy to 50ms, making popups and animations faster), and UI refinement (getting rid of huge areas of padding/dead space in Dolphin and KOffice, applying the same font type and rendering to GTK+ apps by default, get rid of the cashew, an updated icon theme, popup notifications that don't steal focus and doesn't get in the way of suspend/resume). I use KDE and have for years, so I know how to make it look nice and fast, but I can also understand how a new user will become frustrated at the slow, confusing defaults. Whatever KDE5 ends up being, it should be more of a cleaning up of the solid base that KDE4 has become. |
| - Score: 6 |
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