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| GNOME OS detailed: new application framework, SDK, and more |
| By Thom Holwerda on 2012-08-08 22:29:47 |
| The future of GNOME - an interesting subject. GNOME 3 has been out and about for a while, and it hasn't exactly been a smashing success. One of the efforts to take GNOME to the next level is what the team refers to as GNOME OS - but in reality, it's a set of improvements to GNOME that are just as interesting to GNOME-the-desktop-environment. |
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| By Nelson on 2012-08-09 21:46:15 |
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I'm bullish on GNOME, more so than KDE. I think Vala, GObject, and GObject introspection is their key to success on the developer front. Invest more in that. They need a novel platform and to enable a pit of success for the Desktop Linux, meaning out of the box things should just work. I'd even go as far as to try to ink an OEM deal for a "GnomeBox" with hardware and peripherals known to work well with Gnome. Oh, and they need a proper app store. Leave it up to the ISVs to maintain it, it'll open up a ton of resources not being used maintaining extensive repositories. |
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| Ever-increasing hardware requirements |
| By Gullible Jones on 2012-08-10 01:02:39 |
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Ever tried KDE 4 on a Pentium II machine? I have, and I can say with some confidence that it doesn't work at all. It takes ten minutes to start, and when it's finished starting none of the widgets respond to mouse clicks because the CPU is too busy cranking away doing nothing useful. And mind you, this is with maybe a dozen KB of swap space being used - it actually fits into 192 MB of RAM, but it's too much for the CPU and GPU. Xfce on the other hand works fine, as does Mate. Not fast, but completely usable. It seems to me like some developers are coding as if there's no such thing as limited processing power. Which would be okay except for the bad economy, the environmental cost of upgrades, and the untold amounts of blood, sweat, and tears that go into the manufacture of each new computer... It's free software. What the developers do with it is their prerogative. Whether what they do is actually a good idea is an entirely different matter IMHO. Personally I hope that projects like Mate and Xfce take off like there's no tomorrow, and leave the more "modern" desktops in the dust... But that's just me. |
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| Classic NIH syndrome |
| By lucas_maximus on 2012-08-10 07:35:45 |
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> The way that GNOME is currently built and tested has major limitations. Our automatic build systems are rudimentary and they don’t allow us to do automated testing. Is this the 1980s? > We are setting out to correct this situation as a part of GNOME OS. Work is already underway to create a new build system for GNOME. Lets invent a new build system, instead of use the 1000s already out there. Gnome is a joke. |
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| RE[4]: no real alternates |
| By potential on 2012-08-10 09:28:55 |
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I completely agree with what you are saying. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen. The KDE developers have made it clear that certain decisions are there way, or the highway. Example: The absolute insistence of making the "cashew" impossible to hide or remove shows very clearly that they are completely out of touch with what their own users want. It's their way of saying "We know better, accept it or p### off". For this very reason, I choose not to use KDE anymore. The sad irony is, KDE is the closest thing the open source world has to a great desktop. Year after year, they continue to shoot themselves in both feet. With the help of an actual designer, and a complete willingness from the developers to fix the problems that have been raised for years now, KDE could be great again. Sadly, we all know, this is never going to happen, too many egos will be hurt in the process. |
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| RE: Ever-increasing hardware requirements |
| By Phucked on 2012-08-10 09:44:48 |
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> Ever tried KDE 4 on a Pentium II machine? I have, and I can say with some confidence that it doesn't work at all. It takes ten minutes to start, and when it's finished starting none of the widgets respond to mouse clicks because the CPU is too busy cranking away doing nothing useful. And mind you, this is with maybe a dozen KB of swap space being used - it actually fits into 192 MB of RAM, but it's too much for the CPU and GPU. I have had KDE4 working smooth on 450mhz Pentium2 just 2 years ago before I got my current system. It ran better than KDE3 or Gnome2 on my machine. I did not use desktop effects though since i had an old Radeon 8500. But I can say for me KDE4 worked smooth as butter on my PII |
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| RE[4]: no real alternates |
| By Laurence on 2012-08-10 10:47:27 |
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When posting my earlier comment I was honestly expecting to strongly disagree with you, but instead finding myself in 100% agreeance. Like yourself, the 1st thing I do when I install KDE is fine tune the settings and, up until now, never really noticed nor thought about it. Very nicely put mate :) (you'll have to settle for an imaginary +rep though as I've already posted) |
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| RE: no real alternates |
| By tuma324 on 2012-08-10 11:16:45 |
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You mean "Qt". Qt == Qt QT == QuickTime |
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| RE: Ever-increasing hardware requirements |
| By Soulbender on 2012-08-10 12:24:45 |
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> Ever tried KDE 4 on a Pentium II machine? No, why would anyone? The P2 is a 15 year old CPU, it's not reasonable to expect today's desktop OS to work well, or even at all, on it. > It seems to me like some developers are coding as if there's no such thing as limited processing power I don't think that's a conclusion you can come to based on the usability on a P2. Today's programmers code for today's computers, not for 15 year old tech. That's how it has always been. > the environmental cost of upgrades, I'm not sure running 15 year old technology is more environmentally friendly. |
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| RE[5]: no real alternates |
| By Nth_Man on 2012-08-10 13:21:24 |
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> Example: The absolute insistence of making the "cashew" impossible to hide or remove shows very clearly that they are completely out of touch with what their own users want. Impossible? In this moment I don't see the cashew in my desktop. What have I done? 1) make sure that the widgets are unlocked. 2) move the "corner cashew" until is "under" the main panel. 3) lock the widgets. |
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| RE[2]: Ever-increasing hardware requirements |
| By Gullible Jones on 2012-08-10 13:23:05 |
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I did not use desktop effects though since i had an old Radeon 8500. There's your reason. KDE 4 doesn't like running on low-end, shared-memory integrated graphics chipsets. Edited 2012-08-10 13:23 UTC |
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