|Google asks ITC to ban every Mac, iPad, and most iPhones|
|By Thom Holwerda on 2012-09-19 21:40:45|
|"The International Trade Commission voted yesterday to investigate Apple for patent infringement allegations launched by the Google-owned Motorola Mobility. As expected, Motorola is asking for import bans on just about every iOS device, including iPhones, iPods, and iPads. What might be surprising is that Motorola is also asking for a ban on every type of Mac OS X computer, claiming Apple's iMessage technology infringes a Motorola patent." Let's hope all those products get banned. And that all Motorola phones get banned. Let's hope everything gets banned from the US. And yes, I changed Motorola into Google for the headline.|
|RE: So now the other shoe drops...|
|By UltraZelda64 on 2012-09-21 00:38:30|
Actually, you've got a good point. I was thinking it would be funny and I would get some good quality amusement if virtually every Apple product were banned, but more as a "hah, assholes--that's what you deserve" kind of way. But banning them would no doubt scare a lot of people, and Apple being as big as they are right now, something like this would be a potentially good thing. |
The only problem is, if it happens, it might make the news... but unfortunately, the news reporters will try to paint Apple as the good guys here and Google as the devil, and not speak a word about the events (ie. patent slinging shitfest by Apple) leading up to the Apple ban. Apple's got everyone, including the press and the news reporters, in their pockets. They'll flash money in front of these people's eyes to make sure they keep their trap shut when it means the potential (though IMO well-deserved) tarnishing of Apple's image.
Edited 2012-09-21 00:41 UTC
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|By StephenBeDoper on 2012-09-21 01:45:37|
Very interesting comment, and clearly one that had a lot of thought put into it. And I agree with just about everything in it, up until this point: |
> But when it came time to produce a product, they cheated. They scrambled to copy from more established players. Originally it was going to be Blackberry, because that's what a data-heavy device looked like when Google started making prototypes, but they changed course at the first sight of iPhone.
Strip that paragraph of all the emotionally-loaded phrasing & implied value judgements, and you basically have a textbook description of how any responsibly-run business would act when entering a new market.
If if a supermarket chain creates their own version of a preexisting "brand" product, do you consider that to be a cheat? It's generally not seen that way - and whatever else one can say about Android, it's clearly more than just a store brand knock-off of iOS.
> My point is to stop painting Google as an innocent philanthropist who was minding its own business when big bully Apple came along and stole all its toys. If Google had done something original in Android instead of copying Java and iOS, these lawsuits wouldn't be happening, just as they're not happening to WebOS or WP7 -- and Google is still coming out ahead despite the law's attempts to stop this sort of thing.
WP7, maybe. But webOS? Speaking as someone who owns a Pre 2, an iPod touch, and a few and Android device, webOS is a HELL of a lot more iOS-like than any implementation of Android I've ever encountered. Not that I think that's a bad thing - the developers of webOS obviously looked at iOS for inspiration, AND (more importantly) looked for ways they could improve on it. That is, I'd argue, exactly the same way that most innovation occurs - by taking something that already exists & improving on it. That's also same approach that Apple themselves used when entering the smartphone market.
If anything, one of my pet peeves about Android is that the primary goal of many design decisions seems to have been "do it differently than iOS" (instead of "do it in whatever way works best"). So I do find it odd to see Android constantly painted at some kind of exact 1:1 clone of iOS.
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|Really another patent debate on OSnews?|
|By NeoX on 2012-09-21 02:33:03|
Wake me up when it is over! |
Is it just me or do these same patent debates keep coming up here?
At this rate you are going to have to change the name of the site to PatentNews.
There has to be more news then this and about OSs to boot?
How about some news on the Amiga front?
Or the resurgence of DOS? ;-)
Patent schmatent, let's just get on with open innovation...
Can we go back to articles on Windows 8 and its lack of a start menu and button?
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|By r_a_trip on 2012-09-21 12:05:53|
> Government protectionism of a highly profitable company that can significantly impact GDP of the US? |
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|RE: Iconic design|
|By r_a_trip on 2012-09-21 12:16:15|
@Tony Swash |
I'll give you the iconic design thing Apple has going. A glimpse is enough to know it came from Cupertino.
Ironically enough, if Samsung was trying to woo me with iPhone like looks in the Galaxy S2, that certainly wasn't the reason I bought this mildly ugly phone. What won me over was the mix of deliciously powerful hardware in that boxy, meh casing. (My first looks were aimed at the Galaxy Nexus, but I wasn't ready at that time to let go of a micro-sd slot).
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|By bentoo on 2012-09-21 16:55:32|
> ...But webOS? Speaking as someone who owns a Pre 2, an iPod touch, and a few and Android device, webOS is a HELL of a lot more iOS-like than any implementation of Android I've ever encountered. Not that I think that's a bad thing - the developers of webOS obviously looked at iOS for inspiration |
Or more likely Palm OS. Really the only thing I can think of that webOS and iOS have in common is the static icon grid application launcher.
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|By StephenBeDoper on 2012-09-21 17:38:44|
> > ...But webOS? Speaking as someone who owns a Pre 2, an iPod touch, and a few and Android device, webOS is a HELL of a lot more iOS-like than any implementation of Android I've ever encountered. Not that I think that's a bad thing - the developers of webOS obviously looked at iOS for inspiration |
Or more likely Palm OS.
That's a separate topic, but I do think it's a little more complex than that. Rather, it's probably a case of iOS taking inspiration from PalmOS, and webOS in turn taking inspiration from iOS.
> Really the only thing I can think of that webOS and iOS have in common is the static icon grid application launcher.
Off the top of my head, webOS possesses two of the exact same features that Apple has sued Android handset makers over: webOS has had both "pinch to zoom" and "bounceback" since day one, IIRC. And in terms of basic look-and-feel, webOS and iOS are more similar to each other than either is to Android - this article is a bit old, but it has a nice side-by-side screenshot (under "Native Input Controls"):
Which was my original point - or, rather, counter-point to the GP's claim that webOS doesn't/didn't possess the features that were the subject of the Apple-Samsung lawsuit (and others). Note that I'm not attempting to criticize webOS and/or claim that it's a ripoff of iOS (either explicitly or implicitly).
Simply put, my point is that there's obviously more to the Apple lawsuits than the mere existence of those features in certain Android implementations - as evidenced by the fact that those features existing in other mobile platforms, which have not been the subject of legal action by Apple.
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