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| 'EU has Large-scale plans for surveillance of all communications' |
| By Thom Holwerda on 2012-09-24 17:19:21 |
| "A leaked document from the CleanIT project shows just how far internal discussions in that initiative have drifted away from its publicly stated aims, as well as the most fundamental legal rules that underpin European democracy and the rule of law. The European Commission-funded CleanIT project claims that it wants to fight terrorism through voluntary self-regulatory measures that defends the rule of law. The initial meetings of the initiative, with their directionless and ill-informed discussions about doing 'something' to solve unidentified online 'terrorist' problems were mainly attended by filtering companies, who saw an interesting business opportunity. Their work has paid off, with numerous proposals for filtering by companies and governments, proposals for liability in case sufficiently intrusive filtering is not used, and calls for increased funding by governments of new filtering technologies." I'll just leave a link here to one of the most popular OSNews articles of all time. |
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| Comment by ephracis |
| By ephracis on 2012-09-25 08:32:49 |
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Blog post from guy involved in CleanIT: http://www.pascalgloor.ch/2012/0... Edited 2012-09-25 08:33 UTC |
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| RE: This will probably catch me some flak |
| By r_a_trip on 2012-09-25 09:05:05 |
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No, privacy is a right one has to fight for. It is not a war revolving around who can spy on who. Privacy is not power, but protection. Having no privacy turns people into victims of all the irrationality and the boundless meddling of humanity. Some things simply aren't our concern and people should have a right to have their private, harmless affairs kept to themselves if they desire this. There is no need to know if John Smith likes lasagna. No need to know that he occasionally visits a dominatrix. No one is better of knowing that John doesn't like Volkswagen. We don't need to know that he got a divorce six years ago because his wife was more obsessed with an electro stimulator than John. We don't need to know that John peeped at the boobs of Sally Sixpack When he was 12. John is a 40 year old child psychologist and has successfully helped hundreds of children. He absolutely loves children (in the non-pervert way) and he is dedicated to helping them overcome their problems. He is widely recommended. If your child was in need of a good psychologist and John was recommended, would you send your kid to see him if you only knew of his success rate with kids? I bet you would. Would you do the same if you knew of John's preferences for S&M, his ex-wife's preference for electro stimulation and the fact that he took a curious peek at Sally's boobs? Maybe you might, but how many people would just paint John as a sexual deviant, who'd probably rape and abuse minors the moment he is left alone with them? Thing is, what John does with consenting adults behind bedroom doors has no bearing on what he does professionally. What his ex-wife prefers is even more irrelevant, as it doesn't concern John's affairs. Or will we condemn John for being a curious kid? What are you "hiding", that we need to know, so we can crucify you? Give me six lines written by the most honorable of men, and I will find something in them that will hang him. -- Cardinal Richelieu. |
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| RE[3]: Fascism returns!!! |
| By HangLoose on 2012-09-25 09:08:56 |
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YES. And I fear that we will see attempts to disguise legislation as something that no normal person would oppose: such as shoe horning a Trojan ammendment in something valid like child pornography laws. What kind of politician would want to be associated with blocking such a thing. Good thing pirate parties are fighting big money. |
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| RE: In Other news |
| By Lennie on 2012-09-25 12:48:21 |
| It would be great if you could provide a link |
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| RE: Fascism returns!!! |
| By Alfman on 2012-09-25 13:47:18 |
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the_trapper, "I knew Europe could do a better job at Internet fascism than the USA. Way to go guys!" Maybe the EU is just doing a worse job at keeping secrets? |
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| RE: Comment by MOS6510 |
| By kwan_e on 2012-09-25 13:58:15 |
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> I don't think many terrorists will get caught, but they'll probably start rounding up bittorrent and other p2p users and shoot them for being economical terrorists. Wasn't there an ad campaign a while back saying piracy aids terrorism? |
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| RE: Somehow... |
| By Tuishimi on 2012-09-25 14:07:20 |
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That did not take long... The current world view involves blame... blame others, never look at yourselves, after all, subjectivity is where it's at! |
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| RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510 |
| By MOS6510 on 2012-09-25 14:41:28 |
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I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. It's funny that terrorist are supposed to undermine our happy way of living, yet it's the anti-terrorists schemes of our governments that does most damage to our liberties. |
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| It's brain-dead simple |
| By marcp on 2012-09-25 14:56:03 |
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There are two major causes for this situation: 1. Politicians are dumb when it comes to IT. It's easy to convince someone to something, when he/she doesn't get it. You can then use things like "security" and "terrorism", and it usually works. 2. There are big money and big corporations involved. Lobby groups are making preasure on governments, sometimes they act hand in hand with government. How to solve this problem? 1. Educate, educate, educate people. Both politicians, decision makers and regular Joes. Teach about alternatives, teach about truly open and free culture, teach about standards and values of society. 2. Boycott big corporations. This is the ONLY way to show your huge disagreement to their practices. Stupid preasures? bad laws? oppressive IT regulations? NO MONEY FOR YOU APPLE, MICROSOFT, FACEBOOK and other CISPA/ACTA/post CISPA/ACTA supporters. Give your money to the people who respect you and your freedom. As long as you buy their products you are helpless and this situation will evolve to even worse direction. |
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| RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510 |
| By Alfman on 2012-09-25 14:56:54 |
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MOS6510, "It's funny that terrorist are supposed to undermine our happy way of living, yet it's the anti-terrorists schemes of our governments that does most damage to our liberties." Terrorists are an excuse for government to do what it already wants to do anyways, they just couldn't rationalise it. It's very sad that governments are the biggest threat to civil liberties. |
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