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| Nokia Lumia sales dropped 28% last quarter |
| By Thom Holwerda on 2012-10-18 10:56:34 |
| Things ain't going well for Nokia. Their quarterly results are - again - a disaster, and Lumia sales have dropped 28% (50% if you look at just the US). Windows Phone 8 is really going to be a make-it-or-break-it kind of thing. If it doesn't go well, the company might consider going back to focussing on rubber boots. |
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| RE: Comment by Nelson |
| By dukes on 2012-10-18 17:16:50 |
| Nelson, that was pretty insightful. Thanks. |
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| RE: Comment by MOS6510 |
| By drcouzelis on 2012-10-18 18:11:03 |
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> Anyone who really wants a Lumia won't buy one until the ones running WP8 arrive. I was thinking recently: Will Microsoft replace Windows Phone 8 with Windows 8 RT? Will they have another "no more updates for current phones" mobile OS restart? |
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| RE: Comment by Nelson |
| By TBPrince on 2012-10-18 18:20:15 |
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Nice put. Also add that Lumia 800 marketing effort was bad, so bad. Nokia needs to learn about marketing smartphones. For example, while Apple shows features in its iPhone ads, Nokia didn't and aimed to create generic ads. This works for feature phones but doesn't work for smartphones. Its second attempt for Lumia 610 was way better than first and sales improved. And I consider Lumia 800 a rushed product. The first real phone on par with Samsung's and Apple's model 900. Moreover, Windows 8, Surface and X-boxes unified eco-system will improve scenario a lot, as rushed steering to reconsider WP made by Samsung, HTC et al is a sign something is happening. WP7 still has some glitches, some roughness, something to learn in small features which could be improved a bit but can make a difference. However, having used Android 2.x and 4.x for months and having switched to Lumia 900 for a few weeks, I can say WP looks way more modern and captivating than Android 4.x. My opionion of course. |
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| RE: Nokia... |
| By dukes on 2012-10-18 19:48:31 |
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> We told you so! -The Entire Internet I believe Elop also predicted the same thing. So no surprises today's announcement. |
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| RE[2]: Nokia... |
| By zizban on 2012-10-19 01:35:24 |
| We told you so because we saw what another ex MS exec do at the helm of SGI. The exact same thing! |
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| Paying the price of one man's intransigence |
| By mantrik00 on 2012-10-19 02:02:02 |
| Nokia is really paying the price of one man's intransigence. It had a choice to make - choose between Android and Windows. But the ex-Microsoft man chose Windows in a bid to do a big favor to its ex-employer. In the process Symbian got killed. Maimo, Meego got kolled. Numerous employees lost their jobs. The Finnish govt lost out on taxes. How long will the investors continue to lose and let this man bleed the company, just to satisfy his ego and that of his ex-employer? |
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| RE[2]: Comment by smashIt |
| By cdude on 2012-10-19 04:59:57 |
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They not will go vertical but already went vertical. The Surface Tablet and the Surface Phone (later not official confirmed yet but an amazing amount of leaks giving the impression MS itself leaked the informations) are reality. Microsoft is not stupid and they not went all in with Nokia. They took the presents, hoped Nokia helps them but after it turned out Nokia does not Microsoft moved on to plan B. Nokia has nothing of interest left, has nothing to offer, no plan B and no perspective. That company is done. Question stays if the news that Nokia may done in one year, what means WP8 Lumia will only be supported 3/4 year in maximum, makes the situation even more worse. As customer, partner, developer I would rather wait and see what happens before committing anything to a soon to be gone Nokia. I think I am not alone there. Funeral. Edited 2012-10-19 05:14 UTC |
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| RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510 |
| By cdude on 2012-10-19 05:23:39 |
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According to various sources this, the speed of the Nokia downfall, is world record. Never was there a company that lost so much so fast. Impossible to argue against serious management failures. The worst thing is that exactly that is happen. Nokia keeps course, denies reality, closes it eyes and continues to say "but it will turn around by 180 degree next months!". Did anyone found a satisfying answer to the question "why?"? Edited 2012-10-19 05:27 UTC |
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| RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510 |
| By Nelson on 2012-10-19 06:10:46 |
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It is largely already Windows 8 under the hood. They share a common NT kernel and common WinRT APIs. This is part of the reason I think that Windows Phone 8 was a huge gamble (and explains the late SDK, reluctance to show off publicly, and mad dash to RTM internally). Think about it...Windows Phone 8 was being developed in parallel with Windows 8. That's never been a recipe for success. Imagine trying to keep two monumental code bases in sync, both which are rapidly changing. |
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| RE[3]: Comment by Loreia |
| By cdude on 2012-10-19 06:14:37 |
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Its far easier, and even possible at all, to be different with Android then with WP8. With WP8 you are even doomed at the hardware-level to follow Microsofts ruleset. Let alone the WP software where you not even have access to the code. The Nokia brand is serious damaged at carrier, developer and partner level. Even at customers level what is why Nokia lost so much of there before loyal customer base. The markets where they are still strong are those where Lumia is not sold and where Symbian and S40 still rule the landscape. But since both are "burning" and since Nokia not cares at all about this markets (Meltimi canceled, Elops Nokia turn around from a global company to a one focused on north america, the Lumia only and everything else burned no-plan-B strategy) they are doomed to lose that too over time. Android, Bada and the likes are taking over low end too. When that happened and S40 is phased out like the remaing Symbian and N9 sells then Nokia is down to a <2% market share company. To survive that they need to drastical shrink. Fire 6 out of 7 employees. This is going to happen soon. Prepare for way more Nokia mass-layoffs next days. Remaining talent gone, trust gone. The Lumia company may end in a garage with Elop doing the support, development, research and hardware himself. Edited 2012-10-19 06:22 UTC |
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