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| Ars Technica on Surface RT |
| By Thom Holwerda on 2012-10-24 23:09:26 |
| "The Surface is a nice tablet. The design and aesthetic are pleasing, the feel in the hands, particularly of the kickstand and magnetic cover connection is excellent. But is it worth buying on the day of release?" After these three reviews, I still want a Surface RT. As much as I think Metro - and especially its applications - has a long way to go, I feel like I should reward the fact that Microsoft dares to be different. Too bad Microsoft doesn't want me to buy one. |
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| RE[7]: I'm desiring one, too |
| By Alfman on 2012-10-26 04:54:44 |
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bornagainenguin, "IMHO it's best to throw out any preconcieved notions of emulated performance because Android-x86 is nothing like the emulators you may have used in the past." That's good to hear, I'm reading posts now that talk about it being an x86 port of dalvik whereas the dev tools are emulating the ARM version. If I have some time, I may try to compare the performance running the same apps on my desktop and the galaxy tab 2 (1GHz ARM Cortex A9 dual core). I don't really know what to expect. |
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| RE[3]: I'm not going to... |
| By wocowboy on 2012-10-26 10:49:56 |
| Evidently you didn't see Apple's earnings report yesterday, it kinda blows your whole anti-Apple argument out of the water. |
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| RE[4]: I'm desiring one, too |
| By jgfenix on 2012-10-26 11:45:25 |
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> And to be honest, I kind of want an ARM device anyways to be able to dual boot android and have one device running both, but we know MS is banning that as well. What you want is an Asus Transformer AiO. |
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| RE[5]: I'm desiring one, too |
| By Alfman on 2012-10-26 15:17:48 |
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jgfenix, "What you want is an Asus Transformer AiO." All I found were news articles about them having demoed the concept at a show over the summer. http://www.androidauthority.com/... I couldn't find anything like it for sale, do you have any more recent information? I wonder if bootloaders are genuinely unlocked (which goes against microsoft's requirements)? Can you install anything other than the manufacture's build of android? Do you know if the manufacturer build supports sideloading? Please send links if you've got them. It's the right idea, even if the device was more of a desktop computer than a portable tablet one. Edited 2012-10-26 15:25 UTC |
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| RE[3]: I'm not going to... |
| By mistersoft on 2012-10-26 21:53:01 |
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I don't think Microsoft are so naive/simplistic as to think people really choose iPads for stylistic reasons alone at all! They absolutely are (now) getting that the simplicity of the devices (to the end user), the multitouch interfaces and yes, you're right .....all the applications that simply and gratifyingly present all that media to the consumer IS KEY alongside the 'nice design' to selling the tablet as a desirable object. Why else would they be go totally gung-ho with Metro and refining they're touch interface, and their own walled garden app store...........etc I think they're flaw if there one is this: Office(specifically on winRT)is only of verrrry limited added value. No-one (i exaggerate a little), but seriously, No-one that doesn't already have a bonafide lap-top or desktop PC already is going to invest in a tablet of ANY persuasion even a pretend-PC winRT one!! |
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| RE: Comment by frood |
| By modmans2ndcoming on 2012-10-27 17:33:13 |
| http://www.ghacks.net/2012/10/01... |
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| RE[4]: I'm desiring one, too |
| By zima on 2012-10-29 04:46:56 |
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> I predicted this whole shenanigan, that secure boot was just a disguised way of protecting walled gardens from owner tampering rather than simply protecting owners from malware tampering. I wish I were wrong about it. I suspect the idea might be to enable subsidised hardware ecosystem - OEMs selling tablets & laptops below cost, but getting a slice from software sales in the marketplace made on their devices. Of course, that would be feasible only if MS & the hw+sw platform can fairly reliably assure non-tempering of the installed OS - that would be what the OEMs want in such scenario. And a relatively acceptable scenario overall. |
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| RE: Reward MS for a walled garden? |
| By zima on 2012-10-29 05:11:11 |
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> Why would you want to reward MS for releasing something that can only run approved apps? [...] soon, Linux might be the only OS left where you can do what you want. Like install a torrent client. If, by then, you can find hardware it is allowed to run on. He has no qualms rewarding Apple for that, so... And it shouldn't be that bad - at worst, the Chinese should be able to provide fairly open hardware, they supposedly strive for technology independence with Loongson and such (and BTW, CoCom embargos didn't do much to stop the flow of PC tech into CCCP from... China: http://www.inc.com/magazine/1996... ) |
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| RE[8]: I'm desiring one, too |
| By zima on 2012-10-29 05:18:27 |
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> If I have some time, I may try to compare the performance running the same apps on my desktop and the galaxy tab 2 (1GHz ARM Cortex A9 dual core). I don't really know what to expect. Desktop should win handily, if the tests are on an equal footing (as they would be, with non-emulated Android-x86) Consider for example this comparison between a current Android and ...not so current PC: http://browser.primatelabs.com/g... (curious to compare with a decade+ old PC, BTW: http://browser.primatelabs.com/g... ) |
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| RE[4]: I'm not going to... |
| By zima on 2012-10-31 04:29:15 |
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> No-one (i exaggerate a little), but seriously, No-one that doesn't already have a bonafide lap-top or desktop PC already is going to invest in a tablet of ANY persuasion even a pretend-PC winRT one!! "A little"? I'm fairly certain most tablet buyers do have PCs, as of yet... |
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