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| 'Valve: Linux more viable than Windows 8 for gaming' |
| By Thom Holwerda on 2012-10-29 23:34:02 |
| I'm not 100% sure this is actually word-for-word, but alas. "In a presentation at Ubuntu Developer Summit currently going on in Denmark, Drew Bliss from Valve said that Linux is more viable than Windows 8 for gaming. Windows 8 ships with its own app store and it is moving away from an open platform model." I feel like a broken record by now but here we go again: keep an eye on Valve, even if you're not into games. This is the company pushing NVIDIA and AMD to improve their Linux support, with enough clout and name to actually get stuff done. Valve doesn't mess around. |
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| RE[2]: Depends on your definition of "viable" |
| By Drumhellar on 2012-10-30 01:52:44 |
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> 3. Windows Store has many arbitrary limitations, the big one being no apps with a content rating above PEGI 16 are allowed. Note that it doesn't say they must be marked as adult, they are not allowed. Microsoft did recently change their policy, and games sold in Europe with a PEGI-18 rating can be sold if they receive no higher than MA-17 in the US. |
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| RE: Simple |
| By Soulbender on 2012-10-30 01:59:31 |
| Valve does not have a monopoly, they're the market leader. Those two are entirely different things. |
| - Score: 10 |
| RE[2]: Depends on your definition of "viable" |
| By WorknMan on 2012-10-30 02:31:47 |
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> 1. Microsoft has publicly and repeatedly proclaimed "the future is metro" to their developers every chance they get. Microsoft also tends to change its mind every few years too. Didn't they 'bet the company' on .NET/Silverlight, or some shit? Win32 will be around for at LEAST another 20 years. That's about how long it'll take 'em to make Metro not suck :) |
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| RE[2]: Interesting |
| By Morgan on 2012-10-30 02:55:56 |
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On that note, I also think it would be very hardware-restrictive. I could see a possible collaboration between Valve and Dell with a ValveOS-based Alienware box. But even that is pushing the limits, as it would be prohibitively expensive compared to whatever consoles are released by Microsoft and Sony next generation. Still, I'd be tempted to buy one... |
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| Comment by Lazarus |
| By Lazarus on 2012-10-30 03:40:05 |
| Obviously the solution is to have an 'App Store' selection screen on first boot like the Web Browser selection screen seen in the EU :-P |
| - Score: 5 |
| RE[3]: Depends on your definition of "viable" |
| By galvanash on 2012-10-30 03:49:26 |
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> And yet, neither of those stop Steam from working as it does already, which is exactly what I was saying: Steam works, and will continue to work, as-is just fine. The future is the future and yes, Microsoft is pushing for Metro, but right now it is NOT a requirement and therefore there is absolutely no functional difference between Steam on Windows 7 and Steam on Windows 8. In other words Windows 8 is no more or less viable than Windows 7. The next Windows-version will probably be, but it is misguided to say this one is. Yes, you are right of course. But some promises from Microsoft concerning the status of win32 going forward would settle a lot of nerves. > Incorrect: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/20... In other words Microsoft does allow PEGI-18 to enter the store, now. Didn't see that - good to know. Still, do you think they would have reversed course on this if no one complained about it? That is really all Im saying, the complaining from people is a good thing - even if it is from Valve. > You're misunderstanding everything I said. I am merely saying Windows 8 is not any worse or better for gaming than Windows 7 is and claiming otherwise is silly. The next Windows - version, whatever it will be, possibly will be worse, but then the complaints should be about the future direction. It may not be worse for gamers (as in end users) but it is certainly worse for gaming (as in the economy around how they are made and distributed). Its worse because Microsoft has created doubt as to the future of the platform for them - whether intentionally or not. With Windows 7 there was no reason to believe the rug might be pulled out from under you as a developer, with Windows 8? I mean do you know Microsoft's plans for win32 in 5 years? It used to be fairly obvious, now not so much. Edited 2012-10-30 04:00 UTC |
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| RE[3]: Depends on your definition of "viable" |
| By galvanash on 2012-10-30 03:57:26 |
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> Win32 will be around for at LEAST another 20 years. That's about how long it'll take 'em to make Metro not suck :) I actually agree with you completely, but I don't have money riding on it. Some people do. |
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| RE[3]: I'm not a agmer, but |
| By intangible on 2012-10-30 04:40:59 |
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That's the classic catch 22 that maybe the Valve push will help with... The number of people gaming on Linux is less because the hardware support for audio and video isn't as good because there are few companies that support it because there isn't as much of a market because there aren't very many solid games because the the number of people gaming on Linux is less... repeat. I wish I could convince myself the Valve push will work :-| |
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| RE[4]: Depends on your definition of "viable" |
| By ansidotsys on 2012-10-30 06:23:43 |
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Yes, I know Microsoft plan's for Win32 for the next five years and its not going anywhere. WinRT itself is built on top of Win32, as is the .NET Framework. Win32 is going no where. If there is one thing that Microsoft is consistent at, it is backwards compatibility on the x86 platform. But even on Windows RT, it is running Win32. For at least the next ten years, Win32 is here to stay. Microsoft cannot get rid of Win32 even if they wanted to. The only way to get rid of it is for Windows 9 to break full compatibility of EVERYTHING out today, including Windows 8. With the way WinRT is dependent on Win32, the staying power of Win32 is more obvious now than it has ever been. |
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| RE: It's a Valve's game |
| By lucas_maximus on 2012-10-30 08:17:06 |
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What I think Valve should concentrate on is catering to their original users base and partners and concentrating on improving their product. Steam has quite a lot of existing users and a good community. Gabe is just panicking over nothing (steam works perfectly fine in Windows 8). |
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