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Mozilla's Flash-killer 'Shumway' appears in Firefox nightlies
By Thom Holwerda on 2015-02-18 11:41:02

In November 2012 the Mozilla Foundation announced "Project Shumway", an effort to create a "web-native runtime implementation of the SWF file format."

Two-and-a-bit years, and a colossal number of Flash bugs later, Shumway has achieved an important milestone by appearing in a Firefox nightly, a step that suggests it's getting closer to inclusion in the browser.

I was unaware Flash needed a 'killer' at this point.

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Shumway?
By charlieg on 2015-02-18 12:01:18
I've heard some bad product names, but that is right up there.
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Flash needs an alternative, not a killer
By WereCatf on 2015-02-18 12:10:45
Thom, I do not know what sort of Internet you use, but where I roam there are still plenty and plenty more websites that insist on using Flash for even the most basic functionality. Some entities simply refuse to consider dropping Flash, no matter how hard you try, and as you should know by now Adobe's Flash often comes with a whole boatload of vulnerabilities in it. If you can't wean websites off of it, then what other choice is there than creating a client-side alternative to it?

One can only hope Shumway will prove more secure than Adobe's Flash.
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RE: Flash needs an alternative, not a killer
By Kochise on 2015-02-18 12:37:20
Doesn't HTML5 offers some kind of similar functionalities ? Canvas, video, sound, ...
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Comment by Kroc
By Kroc on 2015-02-18 12:50:14
It's not a Flash-killer, HTML5/Native has already done that. It's a Flash-legacy. A safe way of supporting all the Flash content out there for the future. That is a good thing, unquestionably.

This is a massive, massive win for security and a massive win for the backwards/forwards compatibility of the 'Web. That you will be able to watch old Homestar Runner episodes in 10, 20 years time without having to set up a VM with an ancient operating system won't occur to you right now.
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RE[2]: Flash needs an alternative, not a killer
By ddc_ on 2015-02-18 12:53:02
> Doesn't HTML5 offers some kind of similar functionalities ? Canvas, video, sound, ...
Yes. Shumway actually translates flash into HTML5, thus they say "web-native".
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Comment by ddc_
By ddc_ on 2015-02-18 12:58:31
> I was unaware Flash needed a 'killer' at this point.
They are talking about plugin, not format. Actually, Shumway is more or less a life preserver for Flash, as it brings flash support to the platforms where plugin was unavailable.
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RE: Flash needs an alternative, not a killer
By ssokolow on 2015-02-18 13:17:14
> One can only hope Shumway will prove more secure than Adobe's Flash.

Highly unlikely it wouldn't be, given that it's replacing Adobe's ActionScript runtime with unprivileged code running inside the browser's existing JavaScript runtime.

(Same type of approach PDF.js uses to remove the need for Adobe Reader in most cases.)

And, of course, Mozilla and Google have both proven themselves much better at providing a secure runtime environment for an ECMAScript dialect than Adobe has.
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Go away
By Drunkula on 2015-02-18 13:35:39
Flash just needs to die. I hate it. I hate it even more that too many people/organizations cling to it as if it were manna.
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RE: Flash needs an alternative, not a killer
By moondevil on 2015-02-18 15:48:36
Yeah, lots of TVs only have Flash streaming for their media libraries.
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Tracking
By pysiak on 2015-02-18 16:18:17
Try running Firefox with Flash set to Ask to Activate and browse. Notice how many websites have absolutely zero flash content, yet they have the plugin embedded.

See, closed flash is a tamper-resistant sandbox for storing persistent cookies.

If I could have the possibility to set up Shumway to run Flash content but send cookies to /dev/null, I'd be happier :-)
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