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The end of the general purpose operating system
By Thom Holwerda on 2016-11-05 22:26:58

First up, a bit of clarification. By general purpose OS I'm referring to what most people use for server workloads today - be it RHEL or variants like CentOS or Fedora, or Debian and derivatives like Ubuntu. We'll include Arch, the various BSD and opensolaris flavours and Windows too. By end I don't literally mean they go away or stop being useful. My hypothosis is that, slowly to begin with then more quickly, they cease to be the default we reach for when launching new services.

So note that this isn't about desktop workloads, but server workloads.

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No
By Vanders on 2016-11-05 22:50:32
Outside of a few unicorns and bleeding edges, I have seen no great shift to containers that would support this article's hypothesis. If anything people are discovering that running any number of containers in production brings a whole host of new problems with it; in fact it's not dissimilar to the cycle we saw with stuff like OpenStack, where it was touted at the solution to All Things, some people made a lot of noise but no progress, and it has turned out to be a massive waste of time and energy.

Not to mention the article makes the classic assumption that the authors workloads are everybody's workloads; because what you don't know doesn't exist, right? Lets just say that containers are not a solution (and in fact would be a hinderance) to a whole bunch of potential workloads, and there are far more machines running those workloads than you probably think.

Here's two timely articles about running something like Docker in production.

https://thehftguy.wordpress.com/2...
https://patrobinson.github.io/201...
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I'll just leave this here...
By leech on 2016-11-06 00:19:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...
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RE: I'll just leave this here...
By Ibrahim on 2016-11-06 02:13:23
lol, thank you. I've never seen that clip. Damn node.js hipsters. "I'm moving everyone to Windows!", [girl sobbing] "Don't cry, you can run bash on Windows 10 now."

Edited 2016-11-06 02:17 UTC
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Processes
By Brendan on 2016-11-06 03:15:50
Hi,

Over time, "containers" will get leaner and more streamlined, until they look exactly like the "processes" we started with.

Then an OS somewhere will do something silly (e.g. some kind of temporary security problem with the implementation of containers on one OS); and some deluded moron will decide that we need "vessels of containers".

Then, over more time, "vessels" will get leaner and more streamlined, until they look exactly like the "processes" we started with.

Then (for whatever reason) some deluded moron will decide we need "receptacles of vessels".

Then, over even more time...

- Brendan
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RE: Processes
By reez on 2016-11-06 10:05:10
> Over time, "containers" will get leaner and more streamlined, until they look exactly like the "processes" we started with.

Then an OS somewhere will do something silly (e.g. some kind of temporary security problem with the implementation of containers on one OS); and some deluded moron will decide that we need "vessels of containers".

Then, over more time, "vessels" will get leaner and more streamlined, until they look exactly like the "processes" we started with.

Then (for whatever reason) some deluded moron will decide we need "receptacles of vessels".

Then, over even more time...

I know, I know! Someone will come up with a new buzzword!

And everyone knows that buzzwords are the pinnacle of science.
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RE: Processes
By kwan_e on 2016-11-06 11:03:01
It will be just a matter of time before someone thinks of the name "turtle shell".
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Container hype
By Shane on 2016-11-06 11:34:23
Given the level of hype that's accompanied Docker's meteoric rise over the past couple of years, it's inevitable that there would be a proportionate backslash against Docker and containers.

A lot of the complaints that I see are against Docker specifically. And yes, the Docker tools have been downright buggy at times. But things will stabilise eventually. Whether we end up using Docker, rkt, or some other image format doesn't matter. For better or worse, containers are replacing VMs as the new deployment abstraction. They have been part of Google's secret sauce for over a decade by the way.

Personally I don't find containers that interesting. It's the orchestration part that I'm excited about. I've been using Kubernetes for just over a year now and I'm a big, big fan.
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But..
By fukudasan on 2016-11-06 14:51:23
<pedantry>

English Teacher (ET?) in South Korea points out that:

"Hidden behind my hypothosis, which mainly went unsaid, was that containers are becoming the unit of software."

And:

"...(and in fact would be a hinderance)..."

Clearly one thing that all computer bods have in common is an inability to spell properly. :)

This isn't trolling - I see everything exactly the same here in Korea every day - but gentlemen (and gentle ladies, if there are actually any here), if English is your first language, there's no excuse.

</pedantry>
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RE: But..
By Vanders on 2016-11-06 19:31:34
It's something to do with the Internet being an informal communication medium. Also, I was drunk.
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RE[2]: But..
By Alfman on 2016-11-06 19:49:23
Vanders,

> It's something to do with the Internet being an informal communication medium. Also, I was drunk.

I'm just laughing that: of all the comment posted at osnews, you`re mispelling of "hinderance" is being singled out to make an example of.

Surely dionicio deserves an honorable mention, just because funniest grammer ever. REALLY LOOKING FORWARD. "There's no excuse" [paraphrasing].

(Just to throw some fodder into the mix, haha)
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