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Blocking Windows 7, 8.1 updates for Kaby Lake, Ryzen chips imminent
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-03-16 23:09:20

Ars Technica reports:

A recently published Knowledge Base article suggests that Microsoft is going to block Windows Updates for owners of the latest Intel and AMD processors if they try to run Windows 7 or 8.1.

Last year, Microsoft announced a shift in the way it would support Windows. Going forward, new processors, including Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's recently-released Ryzen, would require the newest version of Windows. Users of Windows 7 and 8.1 would be out of luck, with Microsoft having no plans to support the new chips on the old operating systems.

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RE[3]: Legality, Necessity
By darknexus on 2017-03-17 14:59:20
> > For large enterprises and contracted services, this won't even be a blip on the radar.

Yes it will, these guys stayed on Windows XP until the very last moment, and they'll stay on Windows 7 until the very last moment as well.


A lot of times, such businesses have no choice. I support an ERP package which does not run on Windows 10. It's not only unsupported, but will not run at all no matter how you try to set the compatibility mode. It can run on 8.1, however that's as high as it will go and we run it on Windows 7 for consistency. Even if we wanted to upgrade to 10 (which we don't considering how many group policy settings Microsoft are deliberately ignoring) it would not be possible until or unless our mission-critical software is compatible. Period. Fortunately, we run a WSUS server internally.
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RE[2]: Legality, Necessity
By shotsman on 2017-03-17 15:34:41
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You can't really say Linux, BSD, etc are any different than this because they aren't. You have to move to an updated version of your $distro to support new hardware not covered in the old version anyway.

Not altogether true. If you are using somethine like RHEL/SUSE/CentOS then the changes to support your new hardware is backported into your version. So you don't need a new OS Version, just an updated kernel.
This might not be true for other Distros but as usual with Linux, you have a choice.
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RE: This type of policy...
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-03-17 16:06:26
I understand the root problem is difficult to understand. But its not Forced Obsolescence, its microsoft not wanting to invest resources re designing old Operating systems for newer hardware.

Its much more of MS throwing up their hands at the changes Intel made to the cpu functionality.

As a keeper of unpopular opinions, I also don't understand the desire to keep a hold of either of the older Operating sytsems. Yeah win 7 was better than Vista. If you need windows, I don't understand the disdain for Win 10. The privacy issues can pretty much be avoided with judicious registry edits.
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RE: This type of policy...
By phoenix on 2017-03-17 16:36:31
> Is known as "Forced Obsolescence".

No, forced obsolescence means you can't run new OS versions on older hardware. This is what Apple does. "Version X of the OS will no longer support systems made prior to 2012." "Version X+1 of the OS will no longer support systems made prior to 2015." And so on.

You can still install Windows 10 on older systems and get updates. You can still install Windows 8 on older systems and get updates. You can still install Windows 7 on older systems and get updates. Existing hardware will continue to work. No hardware has been obsoleted.

All that's changing is if you buy new hardware today (Ryzen or Kaby Lake based), you have to install the latest OS version to get support and updates. Trying to run an older version (Windows 7 or 8) will work ... you just won't get any updates after Update X.

What really sucks about this is that Windows 7 is still in mainstream support ... and Microsoft is cutting off support for it on current-gen hardware. :( Same for Windows 8. If 7 or 8 were EoL'd, nobody would care, but they're still supported OSes ... but Microsoft isn't going to support them.
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RE[2]: This type of policy...
By darknexus on 2017-03-17 16:55:23
If you don't understand the disdain for Windows 10, you've never used it in a corporate environment. Try it. You'll comprehend it right quick!
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RE[2]: This type of policy...
By Alfman on 2017-03-17 17:29:18
Bill Shooter of Bul,

> I understand the root problem is difficult to understand. But its not Forced Obsolescence, its microsoft not wanting to invest resources re designing old Operating systems for newer hardware.

That's a valid point, I guess hardware and software vendors have reversed perspectives on forced obsolescence :)


> Its much more of MS throwing up their hands at the changes Intel made to the cpu functionality.

Everything I'm reading indicates that windows 7 actually works fine on these processors with no help from microsoft whatsoever. The only problem here is that microsoft is adding code to windows 7 to discriminate against the newer CPUs.

http://hothardware.com/news/micr...
> Also note, that tying Kaby Lake and Zen to Windows 10 doesn’t preclude users from installing other operating systems, obviously. Older versions of Windows and alternative operating systems will still install and run on Kaby Lake and Zen – they are X86 processors, after all. Older versions of Windows won’t be optimized for the platforms and won’t receive future updates, however. It's no different than running Windows XP on a Skylake-based CPU today.

(Emphasis Mine). Consider that for a moment, windows XP doesn't "support" Skylake CPUs, yet XP still runs fine on them anyways, it's simply missing the newer features. Heck, there's even a good chance that windows XP works on Kaby Lake!! (Not that I want to, but it's a valid point against microsoft's position).


So this is more than microsoft simply throwing up their hands and refusing to add support to windows 7/8, this is microsoft making a deliberate decision to actually put in more work to make the update features stop functioning as it did on earlier hardware. Whether you understand the desire to shy away from windows 10 or not, you must concede that this is a deliberately anti-consumer move by microsoft.


Did you know that microsoft doesn't officially support USB3 on windows 7 either? Yet here I am running windows 7 with USB3 on several machines. In my mind, there's a very big difference between merely not having "support" versus punishing users who get it working anyways.

https://social.technet.microsoft....

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RE[3]: This type of policy...
By BluenoseJake on 2017-03-17 18:30:27
i use it in a corporate environment, it's fine
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RE: win-win?
By joekiser on 2017-03-17 20:19:58
That was my immediate thought. Silver lining: just buy a Ryzen system, install 7, and don't worry about the telemetry being forced down your throat.

Pretty sure this update block thing was announced over a year ago, and it was going to apply to Skylake and newer. So grandfathering Skylake into Windows 7 updates had to be some sort of victory for those users.
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RE[4]: This type of policy...
By darknexus on 2017-03-17 20:24:41
Okay, so you can explain why the Windows Store can no longer be turned off, violating our security in the process?
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RE[2]: Blocking?
By JLF65 on 2017-03-17 20:38:57
THANK GOD!!! I won't have to worry about Windows Update trying to FORCE me to update my W7pro to W10 anymore! Sounds like a win-win proposition to me. 8)
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