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Blocking Windows 7, 8.1 updates for Kaby Lake, Ryzen chips imminent
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-03-16 23:09:20

Ars Technica reports:

A recently published Knowledge Base article suggests that Microsoft is going to block Windows Updates for owners of the latest Intel and AMD processors if they try to run Windows 7 or 8.1.

Last year, Microsoft announced a shift in the way it would support Windows. Going forward, new processors, including Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's recently-released Ryzen, would require the newest version of Windows. Users of Windows 7 and 8.1 would be out of luck, with Microsoft having no plans to support the new chips on the old operating systems.

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RE[4]: win-win?
By Darkmage on 2017-03-18 19:29:22
SSHFS, lets you mount remote file systems over SSH. Pretty convenient if that's all you want to do.
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RE[6]: This type of policy...
By Alfman on 2017-03-18 19:37:34
BluenoseJake,

> Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE \Policies\Microsoft\Windows Store

Create a new value REG_DWORD, name it RemoveWindowsStore. Set it's value to 1

Finished

Security unviolated.


As I understand it, back in november 2015 they removed the option to remove the store on everything except enterprise edition whether you are using group policy or not. The windows store cannot be disabled in professional edition even when it joins a domain under an administrative policy to disable it.

https://social.technet.microsoft....

Edit: It seems microsoft did this by design, they don't want to permit administrators to disable windows store in windows 10 professional.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-...
> On a computer that's running Windows 10 Pro, you upgrade to version 1511 of Windows 10. After the upgrade, you notice that the following Group Policy settings to disable Windows Store are not applied, and you cannot disable Windows Store:
> This behavior is by design. In Windows 10 version 1511, these policies are applicable to users of the Enterprise and Education editions only.

Let me know if my info is wrong or out of date, but otherwise it's a legitimate gripe and we can see that there are many administrators complaining about it. Many/most companies do use windows professional edition for their employee workstations.

Edited 2017-03-18 19:47 UTC
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RE[5]: win-win?
By Alfman on 2017-03-18 20:15:56
Darkmage,

> SSHFS, lets you mount remote file systems over SSH. Pretty convenient if that's all you want to do.

Thanks for the suggestion, yea I've used it before. It's a useful tool to have, but I found it lacking as an NAS protocol.


(At least when I was using it...) it did a very poor job keeping a persistent connection across network outages (ie WiFi, hibernation, etc). I tried combining SSHFS with the linux automounter. The initial connection worked great, but there were annoying timeouts and delays I could never resolve after intermittent dropouts. I frequently had to kill the old SSHFS process.

Secondly I really need it to work from windows. There was a time I might have ported it myself, but when vista took away the owner's right to install their own drivers, that killed my windows kernel projects dead in their tracks. I wasn't about to pay hundreds of dollars per year or two for a corporate code signing certificate just to use my own drivers on my own damn machine!

Haha, anyways, that's why I don't use sshfs :)
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RE[7]: This type of policy...
By BluenoseJake on 2017-03-18 22:27:28
So i spun up a win 10 pro vm, and tested it, and your info is correct. As we are using Enterprise, I had no idea, and it sucks.

Sorry To doubt you, and same you, Darknexus

Edited 2017-03-18 22:28 UTC
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RE[6]: win-win?
By BlueofRainbow on 2017-03-19 12:33:47
I think a signed kernel side of FUSE exists for Windows allowing other (non-Microsoft) file systems to be ported to Windows. Not sure how secure this would be for the context (SSH).

Providing the capability to extend Windows beyond what is allowed by Microsoft, such as one owner being able to install specialized drivers, could be a strong point in favor of ReactOS.
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RE[2]: This type of policy...
By BlueofRainbow on 2017-03-19 13:14:01
This drew my attention:

> If you need windows, I don't understand the disdain for Win 10. The privacy issues can pretty much be avoided with judicious registry edits.

How many of the Windows users have the knowledge and skills to feel comfortable enough to edit the Registry? 25%? 10? 5%?

It is valuable that the knowledgeable subset of a community "fights" for the privacy rights of all users of that community in addition to exploring (and publishing) ways to overcome them. One should not have to delve into the internals of an operating system to protect his/her privacy.
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RE[6]: This type of policy...
By ilovebeer on 2017-03-19 14:48:13
People have been pirating Windows since forever so maybe they should just go that route if Microsoft doesn't want to offer a version of Windows that isn't hostile and abusive to the average user.
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RE[7]: win-win?
By Alfman on 2017-03-19 18:12:31
BlueofRainbow,

> I think a signed kernel side of FUSE exists for Windows allowing other (non-Microsoft) file systems to be ported to Windows. Not sure how secure this would be for the context (SSH).

Oh how much I'd like for fuse for windows to work, every few years I come back to it to see what's out there. A few projects have cropped up over the years, as I recall one was a google-summer-of-code entry, but none of them are well supported. I can't even take the code and support it myself because microsoft doesn't allow owners to install their own drivers. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

> Providing the capability to extend Windows beyond what is allowed by Microsoft, such as one owner being able to install specialized drivers, could be a strong point in favor of ReactOS.

Good point, I hadn't thought about that. I wish ReactOS were more production ready than it is, I'll keep coming back to it every 5 years to try it again :)
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RE: Windows 10 is better
By StephenBeDoper on 2017-03-19 21:43:47
> This move is to force us to upgrade to Windows 10 for using those types of chips. However, I think that's a good move.

Eh, in some ways - but there have certainly been some regressions in Win8/10 when compared to 7. The dumbest, most glaring example I've run into was a Catch-22 situation where I had installed the upgrade on an HTPC and it defaulted to the basic drivers and a resolution of 1360*768. "No problem," I thought, I'll just go online and download the drivers... except when I tried, I discovered that the network menu in Win10 has (or at least did on release) a fixed height/minimum height, and it top-aligns the list of networks, AND the height of the menu was greater than the height of the screen at that resolution. As result, the top of the network menu was cut off, making it impossible to connect to a network to download proper video drivers (short of downloading on another computer & resorting to sneaker-net).

Then there's the idiotic lock screen that Microsoft insists on enabling everywhere, even though it's utterly useless/pointless for any system where touch isn't the primary input method. Any sane person would see the criticism of that "feature" and the popularity of method to disable it as a sign that it might be such a great idea - but not Microsoft, instead the doubled-down and made it even harder to disable with the anniversary update.

Or there's the insane decision to force reboot for automatic updates AND provide no option whatsoever to disable it, even in the "Pro" version. With that one, I genuinely hope that Microsoft gets hit with a class action for willfully causing data loss.

And then there's more mundane stuff, like bad UI design decisions/regressions. E.g. the way that "Screen Resolution" used to be an option when you right-clicked the desktop in Win7 - now in 10, it's buried under "Display Settings"and then "Advanced display settings". Ditto for the way that customizing the system tray icons was easier in 7, where you could just click the control to show the hidden icons & then click the "Customize" button - compared to 10, which hides that stuff under 2 separate text links, buried in the Taskbar settings.
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RE[4]: win-win?
By darkhog on 2017-03-20 17:10:49
I think there's a tool that allows mounting an FTP share as a drive for Windows (for sure you can do it with Linux) and besides you can access ftp share directly from the Explorer (little known feature of it is that it acts as a basic FTP client, when you enter ftp protocol url in it it logs you as anonymous user, but just add user:password@ before the url (but after protocol identifier) and it connects as specified user).
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