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Intel still beats Ryzen at games, but how much does it matter?
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-03-17 22:48:39

Realistically, nobody should have expected Ryzen to be king of the hill when it comes to gaming. We know that Broadwell isn't, after all; Intel's Skylake and Kaby Lake parts both beat Broadwell in a wide range of games. This is the case even though Skylake and Kaby Lake are limited to four cores and eight threads; for many or most games, high IPC and high clock speeds are the key to top performance, and that's precisely what Kaby Lake delivers.

In spite of this, reading the various reviews around the Web - and comment threads, tweets, and reddit posts - one gets the feeling that many were hoping or expecting Ryzen to somehow beat Intel across the board, and there's a prevailing narrative that Ryzen is in some sense a bad gaming chip. But this argument is often paired with the claim that some kind of non-specific "optimization" is going to salvage the processor's performance, that AMD fans just need to keep the faith for a few months, and that soon Ryzen's full power will be revealed.

Both parts of this reaction are more than a little flawed.

I'm just glad there's finally competition in the desktop processor space again. Intel started to charge some outrageous prices these past few years, but if you wanted the best performance, you really didn't have much of a choice.

With Ryzen, AMD is showing the world it's back on track. It might not be there yet in every aspect, but it's an amazingly promising start.

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It doesnt matter one whit
By jnemesh on 2017-03-17 23:57:57
When the CPU you are comparing to is TWICE the price and the performance delta is usually only a few frames per second, no one but the "hardcore" gamers are going to care. Everyone else will buy the less expensive product (which is SUPERIOR in many situations!) and be happy.
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RE: It doesnt matter one whit
By osvil on 2017-03-18 00:28:16
Experience says that, even in the case of Ryzen being way better at gaming than the Intel chip, Intel will be able to sell more chips than AMD because of brand image.

It happened back when AMD Athlon was a way better option than the P4 Intel was making and *many* people just bought Intel because of brand image.

In any case, I am also very happy to see an AMD come-back. When things settle down I may build a nice Ryzen machine for myself. But then, focus won't be on gaming, but rather a multicore beast with quite a lot of memory if possible. Being able to have several VM around without even caring seems just great :p.
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RE: It doesnt matter one whit
By The123king on 2017-03-18 00:38:48
This. For performance per buck, AMD wins hands down, but that doesn't mean that Intel's chips are bad. They're just aimed at different markets. If you need the performance whatever the cost, then Intel is for you, if you're budget conscious, go AMD

I don't think It'll be on the desktop where AMD wins the fight, i think that's still going to be dominated by Intel, with only budget manufacturers switching to AMD. No, i believe AMD is aimed squarely at the datacentre and server market. I also think you'll see Naples (AMD's server chips) dominating the TOP500 soon
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Comment by ksec
By ksec on 2017-03-18 02:35:42
Consider the following.

AMD has yet to fully land all the Zen optimization in LLVM. Which is expected to have at least 5% performance difference.

Unreal Engine as well as all other Middleware Engine are working towards Zen Optimization.

Windows 10 getting some AMD update in future patches.

Lots of software using Open Sources Compiler such as LLVM and GCC will benefits. People are now, FULLY aware of using Intel ICC consequences, compared to AMD Athlon era.

We will get a small uArch update with Zen 2 next year on the same motherboard and same socket.

For the first time ever i couldn't find any faults with AMD. I/O are great. Stability no longer an issues. Great Roadmap. And Price too!
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I don't see myself ever getting another AMD...
By leech on 2017-03-18 04:05:14
The problem isn't their hardware, it is the lack of decent chipsets. Intel makes their own chipsets and that is what makes them superior in stability. Every time I have gone with an AMD build, I end up having weird issues, whether it was the MSI board that would randomly have the USB stop working until I pulled out the CMOS battery, or the memory sticks going bad twice in a year, but they worked well enough for the system to run for months then die.

They just seem to be buggy. If AMD could put out their own chipset that they fully tested themselves instead of relying on someone else, then I would probably go that route. Until then, it is Intel and Nvidia for me, regardless of who can squeeze out more FPS.
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RE[2]: It doesnt matter one whit
By galvanash on 2017-03-18 05:18:57
> This. For performance per buck, AMD wins hands down

Except for gaming, which was mentioned elsewhere in the linked article. I'm not knocking Ryzen, it seems to me to be a shockingly good CPU from what I have seen so far. However, if you are a gamer and your measure of performance is how fast your games run, Intel wins hands down. A 7700k outperforms a Ryzen 1800x easily in almost every gaming benchmark and does it for $150 less...

Sure, if you have something that can really take advantage of 8 cores, $500 is a great deal compared to Intel's 8 core CPUs ($1000+) - no argument. Thing is, very few games do that...

I'm just saying, if all you care about is gaming than Ryzen is actually NOT a great deal - it is slower, it cost more, and it has all the little teething issues that brand new platforms always have. Its still a good CPU, it will stomp a 7700k on lots of workloads, but gaming isn't really one of them (yet).
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RE: I don't see myself ever getting another AMD...
By galvanash on 2017-03-18 05:26:56
> The problem isn't their hardware, it is the lack of decent chipsets. Intel makes their own chipsets and that is what makes them superior in stability.


AMD has been making their own chipsets for almost 20 years, and 3rd party AMD chipsets effectively died out over a decade ago. Every motherboard since then has contained an AMD chipset...
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By Finalzone on 2017-03-18 06:14:07
Key reasons, majority of current PC games are optimized for Intel quad-core CPU. The gaming world is about to change because big gaming industries start to optimize for AMD hardware, some of them having experience from both Sony Playstation 4, Microsoft XBox One and soon Scorpio.
This year belongs to AMD.
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RE: Comment by ksec
By DonQ on 2017-03-18 12:14:27
> For the first time ever i couldn't find any faults with AMD. I/O are great. Stability no longer an issues. Great Roadmap. And Price too!
Your experience may vary, but I have used many generations of AMD CPUs (K6/K7/K8) and IMO stability was never an issue. Well, some K6/K7 chipsets needed BIOS tweaking, some motherboards had bad caps, you had to be sure that your CPU cooling worked (esp fo K6), you had to use stable PSUs - but no problems with CPUs themselves.

My latest AMD workhorse was socket 939 'desktop' Opteron with low power consumption (sorry, I can't recall its model number) - it was extremely stable, performant and cool system.

Then came the Intel Core arhitecture... I seriously hope that AMD returns.
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RE[2]: I don't see myself ever getting another AMD...
By leech on 2017-03-18 17:00:41
Has it really been that long since I had my AMD with an nVidia chipset?

The one with the memory dimm going bad issue I think was an AMD chipset now that I think about it (SB700 or something around there.)
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