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"The best phone you can buy right now"
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-08-07 20:29:35

The Verge does this thing where they list what they consider to be the best laptop or phone or whatever, and they state the Samsung Galaxy S8 is the best phone for most people.

Samsung's Galaxy S8/S8 Plus is the best phone for most people. It's available across all four US carriers and unlocked. It has the best display on any smartphone right now, a head-turning, premium design, a top-of-the-line camera, reliable battery life, and fast performance. Thanks to Samsung's popularity and the support of all four carriers, the S8 also has plenty of accessories, from cases to battery packs to wireless chargers, available to it.

You can definitely make a case for the S8 being the best phone for most people, but personally, I still consider the iPhone to be the best, safest choice for most non-geeky people. Personally, I prefer Android, and for my personal use, iOS on the iPhone is an exercise in frustration - but iOS provides a more consistent, all-around phone experience that remains fairly static from phone to phone, it's a little simpler to grasp than Android, and Apple has an excellent support system in many countries that's far better than Samsung's hands-off let-the-reseller-handle-it approach.

I wonder - what do any of you consider the best phone for most people? If one of your non-geeky family members seeks your advice, which phone do you suggest they get?

The Verge named the Surface Laptop the best laptop, which I find a baffling choice. It's new and unproven, so we have no idea how it'll hold up over the next few years. An odd choice for sure.

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RE: iPhone
By CATs on 2017-08-08 14:45:57
> However, my personal phone is an iPhone because I simply cannot be bothered to do maintenance on my phone like you need to do on a Windows install. Sorry, but Android is very similar to Windows in stability and problems, and not to Linux.
Weird that you say that, because my experience with Windows vs. Linux was completely opposite: with Linux, you're always banging your head against the wall when something very basic (audio, video, you name it) either does not work or breaks for no reason. Or if you want to install something just to find out that "something" needs 17 dependencies, and 9 of those 17 dependencies must be of a particular version/flavor/etc., and that particular version/flavor/etc. can no longer be found in your default repos. I consider you to be a masochist if you enjoy using Linux.
With Windows, however, everything just works... And it's rock-solid, stable, completely maintenance-free. I cannot remember a single thing I would do for maintenance on my Windows computers (non-server versions, that is).
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RE[4]: Nokia
By leech on 2017-08-08 15:03:51
I was extremely tempted to order the Nokia 6 yesterday. I currently have a Note 4, and one thing that has always irritated me about running any phone that is a Nexus, is that none of them have an microSD slot except the very first one. These Nokia phones do. Though I still love the stylus of the Note, so will probably wait a bit longer and get the Note 8.
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RE[2]: Different strokes for different folks
By leech on 2017-08-08 15:06:14
I'll agree with this 100%. While the iPhone allows no customizations, Android does.. but in a shitty way. That's why I loved my Nokia N9 and N900. It's 'real' Linux under there, instead of a kernel with some shit slapped on top.
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RE: best for "most"??
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-08-08 16:28:27
Depends on Most. Also its under $600 for the US version. Most of my friends that would ask me what phone to get, would be able to afford that. And that's kind of the question that was proposed here.
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RE[2]: iPhone
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-08-08 17:45:33
> Or if you want to install something just to find out that "something" needs 17 dependencies, and 9 of those 17 dependencies must be of a particular version/flavor/etc., and that particular version/flavor/etc. can no longer be found in your default repos.

what crazy ass distro is that? Gentoo or arch?

Debian or Fedora based distros haven't had that kind of a problem in decades.

With linux, if you want to be masochistic, you can, but you don't have to
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RE[2]: best for "most"??
By Alfman on 2017-08-08 18:00:41
Bill Shooter of Bul,

> Depends on Most. Also its under $600 for the US version. Most of my friends that would ask me what phone to get, would be able to afford that. And that's kind of the question that was proposed here.

Do friends let friends go into debt over unnecessary overpriced phones? Haha.

The notion of affordability in terms of real money has silently been replaced with affordability in terms of debt. It masks how unaffordabile things really are for consumers. I am very concerned with the financial changes of the past half century, we're looking at trillions of dollars worth of debt owed by the lower classes to the wealthy. Of course consumer debt pays for lots of things besides phones, but expensive phones are still part of the problem.

Forgive me for ranting, this is not addressed to you personally, but I just felt it needed to be stated :)
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I'm a nerd and the best phone for ME, is an iPhone
By Sabon on 2017-08-08 18:26:05
Most people that know I'm a nerd just assume I use an Android phone so that I can have complete control over the phone.

First of all, the idea that you have complete control over your Android phone is a joke and of the cruelest kind. There are many, many things that you have zero control over on Android phones. I know, part of my job is to support organizational people that use smart phones including iPhones and Android phones.

Both are there very frustrating limitations. For me, the biggest limitation is 90% Google's fault. But for them to get Android out to the most companies so that they use Android instead of their own OS or some other OS they had to make some very bad choices that have kept Android far behind when it comes to security. You can say that isn't true but so far we've not had any hacked iPhones but have had more than a few people with hacked Android phones.

I'd say that I could blame people for most of the security issues but at the root of the way their phones got hacked, it is much harder to hack an iPhone in the way they got hacked. Being on this website you already know what those are.

But that is about organizational smart phones. What about me?

No device is perfect. If there ever was a perfect phone or device out there, you would go out and buy as many as you possibly could so that if the one you have now fails, you would have another one of the perfect devices ready. But there are no perfect devices.

Then there is, "The most perfect device for you" or "The most perfect device for me". Both of these statements could have an answer that is totally different. And I'm --very-- happy about this. If companies don't have competition they are not forced to improve their devices as quickly as they have to while keeping prices are low as possible.

Innovate too slowly and you are left behind and die. Charge too much and too few people will buy your product and your company will either have to lower the price or die. If your R&D and production costs are too high compared to what you have to sell your product for, your company has to figure something out or die.

All of this is a win/win for customers. I would prefer that there were more than two players in the field. In the last several years there have only been two with different third companies appearing to be catching up and then something in their company (usually one of the three things above that I described) is happening and they can't sustain their business and they shrivel up and usually due.

For me personally, the iPhone is the best phone for me. It could be that I might be the only person in the world this is true for, but that obviously isn't true. As I said before, no company is perfect. They are all flawed in some way or another. The issue you have to be concerned about is what flaws are the biggest bad points for you. For me, that is Android and Samsung. Combined they are the Achilles heal of Samsung phones.

For --me-- the services on the iPhone are the strongest part of why I like iPhones. Being able to pick up another Apple device and continue on with what I was creating is a big deal for me. And sometimes it is best to be typing on my iPad Pro or my iMac while taking pictures and pasting them into the same document using my iPhone and having those updates appear on all devices.

I know quite a few Android users that think that Apple's services suck. And they may for them. But we are all different beings and have different requirements. No one device is perfect for everyone. This isn't perfect for me but is definitely less of a problem for me than with Android devices.

I truly hope you are happy with yours. I'm very happy with mine.
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RE: iPhone is the best phone for me
By Morgan on 2017-08-08 18:28:29
> My next main computer will be the Mac Pro. The price is high, but I still see it worthy.

You might be better off waiting for the rumored modular Mac Pro that we may get next year. Otherwise, you're wasting money on the Trash Can unless it meets a specific need like six monitor support. Rather than spend $3000+ on it, you would be better off spending ~$800 on a 2010-2012 classic Mac Pro, then buy the new modular model when it comes out. You may even find that the classic Mac Pro meets your needs for the long run, especially given you're making do on a MDD G4.

At least, that's what I'd do.

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RE: Apple == expensive
By ThinkingGuy on 2017-08-08 18:30:39
Some of us can still remember the 1980's, when most phones were over $1000 :)
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Motorola Moto G's
By Anon on 2017-08-08 18:32:59
These are by far the best bang for buck phones on the market.
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