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"The best phone you can buy right now"
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-08-07 20:29:35

The Verge does this thing where they list what they consider to be the best laptop or phone or whatever, and they state the Samsung Galaxy S8 is the best phone for most people.

Samsung's Galaxy S8/S8 Plus is the best phone for most people. It's available across all four US carriers and unlocked. It has the best display on any smartphone right now, a head-turning, premium design, a top-of-the-line camera, reliable battery life, and fast performance. Thanks to Samsung's popularity and the support of all four carriers, the S8 also has plenty of accessories, from cases to battery packs to wireless chargers, available to it.

You can definitely make a case for the S8 being the best phone for most people, but personally, I still consider the iPhone to be the best, safest choice for most non-geeky people. Personally, I prefer Android, and for my personal use, iOS on the iPhone is an exercise in frustration - but iOS provides a more consistent, all-around phone experience that remains fairly static from phone to phone, it's a little simpler to grasp than Android, and Apple has an excellent support system in many countries that's far better than Samsung's hands-off let-the-reseller-handle-it approach.

I wonder - what do any of you consider the best phone for most people? If one of your non-geeky family members seeks your advice, which phone do you suggest they get?

The Verge named the Surface Laptop the best laptop, which I find a baffling choice. It's new and unproven, so we have no idea how it'll hold up over the next few years. An odd choice for sure.

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RE[8]: iPhone
By woegjiub on 2017-08-10 12:23:02
That was a typo, my bad.

Webapps can do everything desktop apps can do; apart from a terminal and a browser, you don't need native GUI apps.

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RE[9]: iPhone
By Alfman on 2017-08-10 13:38:28
woegjiub,

> That was a typo, my bad.

Webapps can do everything desktop apps can do; apart from a terminal and a browser, you don't need native GUI apps.



That's a gross generalization at best. Pure webapps have numerous limitations: crippled access local resources, difficulty managing files, less integration, databases, higher bandwidth requirements, networking limitations, less capacity, less control, less privacy, more latency, etc.

To the extent that you can do anything behind a pure dumb terminal connected remotely (ie RDP), well sure a browser can do that, but you merely moved the desktop. This could work for light needs, but the performance is certainly worse. A former employer did this and rolled out new development procedures where we'd do all our work inside remote RDP sessions. In theory it makes software licensing/management far easier and hardware costs much lower if our local machines are literally just dumb terminals. They ultimately abandoned it though since performance was awful and we became much less productive when forced to do work remotely.


If webapps cover all of your needs, then great, but CATs is right, it's absurd to reduce everyone's needs to your level. In your case, it doesn't sound like you need a PC at all.

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RE[10]: iPhone
By woegjiub on 2017-08-10 13:44:52
Oh, I definitely need a desktop, but I just do everything of worth in a terminal, and interface with everything via python or directly in a TUI like neovim.

It's obviously hyperbole to say nobody needs desktop apps... For now. They're a dying breed. With HTML5 having advanced as far as it has, most desktop apps are obsolete. Webassembly and WebGL are going to do away with most of the rest. Email, office, image editing... All done perfectly without GUI filth.
CAD, modelling, video editing etc. aren't far behind.

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RE[7]: Apple == expensive
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-08-10 14:11:18
True enough. I'm not really sure if that is or was the plan, but it works against me. As demonstrated through out this thread, there are many smart people that simply don't care about security updates for good or bad reasons. So if that is their master plan, its not working too good on them.
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RE[3]: Apple == expensive
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-08-10 14:12:46
Well, they were upgraded after theft, which happened once in a while. It was the 80s crack was king. No car stereo or phone was safe.
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RE[11]: iPhone
By Alfman on 2017-08-10 14:17:36
woegjiub,

> It's obviously hyperbole to say nobody needs desktop apps...

It's weird to argue a point if you knew it to be hyperbole, but ok :)


> For now. They're a dying breed. With HTML5 having advanced as far as it has, most desktop apps are obsolete. Webassembly and WebGL are going to do away with most of the rest. Email, office, image editing... All done perfectly without GUI filth. CAD, modelling, video editing etc. aren't far behind.

Well, the thing is if this were true and HTML5 is all that mattered, then Firefox OS, Ubuntu Phone, Sailfish OS, Tizen, etc would have been far more popular platforms. Even jobs envisioned the iphone as a web only device, but the demand for local apps caused him to change his mind.

Some people feel HTML5 should replace everything everywhere, but the market so far hasn't accepted that, quite the opposite. The market has been extremely harsh to platforms over the lack of local apps, even including windows phones.

Maybe it's just me, but it really seems the main push for webapps is being driven by advertisers (including google) rather than consumers themselves.

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RE[12]: iPhone
By woegjiub on 2017-08-10 14:30:09
I think those platforms were just before their time. SaaS has too many advantages, and with upcoming tools like service workers and web components, the web is only getting more powerful.

The litany of desktop apps that have fallen into obsolescence is only going to increase
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RE[9]: iPhone
By CATs on 2017-08-10 14:33:55
> Webapps can do everything desktop apps can do; apart from a terminal and a browser, you don't need native GUI apps.
WTF? You're joking, right? Because if you are serious, I would have to conclude you are incredibly basic and naive computer user.

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RE[13]: iPhone
By Alfman on 2017-08-10 14:38:10
woegjiub,

> I think those platforms were just before their time. SaaS has too many advantages, and with upcoming tools like service workers and web components, the web is only getting more powerful.

For some people maybe, but at least for me it's not moving in a direction that would overcome my need for local apps. That's the thing, everyone has different needs, which is the main point I'm trying to get across.
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RE[9]: iPhone
By CATs on 2017-08-10 14:40:57
> That's ironic, many devs prefer linux distros for their platform of choice on servers. It's often easier to install and use software on linux than on windows in part because most server software is written for unix first and windows second, if at all.
Not true. It mostly depends on what kind of server software you're using.

> Yeah, sounds like woegjiub's needs are more basic than ours, but it doesn't matter, different people different needs :)
I'm just completely amazed that he seriously thinks all desktop apps can be replaced with web apps. To have such mentality you have to be either unbelievably ignorant or a very, very, very basic user. The only real-life case I know where desktop apps can be completely replaced by web apps is my >60 year old father who's computer skills can be illustrated by this example: to point and click, he moves the mouse first, then raises his hand off the mouse and pushes the mouse button with a finger from high above.
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