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Oracle kills Solaris
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-09-04 22:16:16

Remember, back in December 2016, when there were rumours Oracle was killing Solaris? And how a month later, Solaris effectively switched to maintenance mode, and then to a "continuous deliver model"?

The news from the ex-Sun community jungle drums is that the January rumours were true and Oracle laid off the core talent of the Solaris and SPARC teams on Friday. That surely has to mean a maintenance-only future for the product range, especially with Solaris 12 cancelled. A classic Oracle "silent EOL", no matter what they claim.

With the hardware deprecated, my guess is that's the last of the Sun assets Oracle acquired written off. Just how good were Oracle's decisions on buying Sun?

Sun's Solaris is dead.

Bryan Cantrill on this news (this Bryan Cantrill):

As had been rumored for a while, Oracle effectively killed Solaris on Friday. When I first saw this, I had assumed that this was merely a deep cut, but in talking to Solaris engineers still at Oracle, it is clearly much more than that. It is a cut so deep as to be fatal: the core Solaris engineering organization lost on the order of 90% of its people, including essentially all management.

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Judging merely by its tombstone, the life of Solaris can be viewed as tragic: born out of wedlock between Sun and AT&T and dying at the hands of a remorseless corporate sociopath a quarter century later. And even that may be overstating its longevity: Solaris may not have been truly born until it was made open source, and - certainly to me, anyway - it died the moment it was again made proprietary. But in that shorter life, Solaris achieved the singular: immortality for its revolutionary technologies. So while we can mourn the loss of the proprietary embodiment of Solaris (and we can certainly lament the coarse way in which its technologists were treated!), we can rejoice in the eternal life of its technologies - in illumos and beyond!

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RE[3]: Long Dead
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-09-05 17:22:42
> Use case no.1:

How many telcos are out there? How many more start ups just needed a reliablish web server to run LAMP?

Not everyone needs 100% uptime. Most probably need like 95%. You pay out the nose for each additional nine you need.

That right there explains why Sun died.

Its not that the usecases didn't exist where Sun was the best choice, its that those usecases weren't as popular/profitable.

Edited 2017-09-05 17:23 UTC
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RE[2]: chronicle of a death foretold...
By rleigh on 2017-09-05 17:38:42
What? This is quite wrong.

The CDDL is a recognised copyleft open source licence. It's compatible with any licence, including proprietary licences. The GPL is incompatible with the CDDL. That doesn't make it not open. The same could be said of the Apache licence...
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RE[4]: Long Dead
By yerverluvinunclebert on 2017-09-05 19:06:16
That's a different argument. Let's change our words to suit new facts.
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RE[5]: Long Dead
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-09-05 19:47:59
Sorry, my first note was too brief, but that is indeed what I meant.

I have the utmost respect and admiration for the innovations that were contained within Sparc and Solaris. Technologically, they were without a peer.
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RE[2]: Think about what Oracle wanted
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-09-05 19:53:38
Disagree with respect to Mysql. Oracle has thrown a lot of man power at it, releases are more stable, more frequent, and more perform-ant.

On the other hand, the price as skyrocketed, and more non community features are being developed. I've heard the enterprise features are very nice, but costly.

I don't really trust Mariadb, not because they aren't smart people. They just don't have the qa manpower that oracle does.
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Load balancers
By tony on 2017-09-05 21:25:38
I think it was load balancers that killed Sun (or rather, gave it a wound that it never sought appropriate action for). Back in the late 90s/Early 2000s, web sites were what pushed the server buying for the most part. You could do it with x86 or you could do it with Unix/RISC, the later being far more expensive.

Sun's idea of a web server, even after the dot-com crash, was a $25,000 server (E280R, for example). Dell would sell you a pizza-box for around $2K. The E280R was faster, but not nearly 10x faster. It was more reliable, but behind a load balancer it didn't much matter. You could scale out as you needed.

Sun didn't get that it couldn't sell a $25K web server anymore until it was far too late.

There was also its dumb-ass battle with Linux.

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RE: Question
By bugjacobs on 2017-09-05 22:31:38
More talent to -> ?
https://www.openindiana.org/
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RE: Think about what Oracle wanted
By jgfenix on 2017-09-05 22:36:21
I think they wanted to offer an integral solution: software+hardware like others did in the past and to develop "key in hand" solutions.
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RE[3]: chronicle of a death foretold...
By FlyingJester on 2017-09-05 22:57:51
I'm not sure how much is left to open source that wasn't already in OpenSolaris when they ended the project. Maybe some container stuff, but in comparison with what OpenSolaris gave us, I don't think it's too bad that we don't get what remains as open source.
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RE: Not going to lie...
By christian on 2017-09-06 07:56:45
> SPARC on the other hand, I will be sad to see go. It's a good ISA, and I'd take a SPARC CPU over an equivalent vintage x86 for a server or embedded system any day.

But then again, I'd take an equivalent vintage MIPS or Alpha (or even PA-RISC) over SPARC any day. SPARC really was the runt of the RISC litter.

Love their workstations though. I have a particular fondness for the IPX (first UNIX workstation I ever used) and the other lunchbox SPARCstations.
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