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Apple introduces iPhone 8, iPhone X
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-09-12 19:30:28

Apple held its iPhone event today, but since the three major leaks got everything right - read our previous items on the leaks to get the full details - there's really not much to add here, other than the pricing for the new iPhones. The 'regular' iPhone 8 will be about €50 more expensive this year, so take that into account when planning your upgrade. The iPhone X (pronounced "ten" by Apple, "ex" by people with good taste), however, carries a very hefty pricetag, especially in Europe and the UK - the base 64GB model is $999 in the US, and a staggering €1159 in Europe (and an equally staggering £999 in the UK).

I think it's definitely a nice looking phone, and can certainly hold its own against other small-bezel phones from Samsung, LG, and others (especially others), but especially outside of the US, that's one hell of a price tag. Going over the magic €1000 mark feels like crossing a psychological threshold from high-end brand new smartphone territory into high-end brand new laptop territory, and that's a tough pill to swallow.

The additional problem here is that the iPhone 8 simply looks outdated compared to all the minimal bezel phones of this year, and certainly so next to the iPhone X in stores for the iOS users among us. I'm up for contract renewal, and since I'm the kind of person to switch platforms about once a year, I was definitely interested in switching to iOS again by buying the iPhone X. However, that €1159 price tag is way, way beyond the outer limit of my comfort zone.

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RE[2]: Qi
By tylerdurden on 2017-09-13 07:45:24
They had no choice this time. Qi is deeply entrenched standard, and there's a whole ecosystem out there and already established supply chain.

It's hilarious that Apple can't release a charging pad until next year.

My bet is that apple wants connector free phones and ipad in the next couple of years.
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Title Bar
By Dreams on 2017-09-13 07:59:08
I haven't seen any screenshots of apps running, only full screen overview pages.

I wonder how that pretty speaker bar on the top will interfere with the screen space that is available there. Will they redesign the GUI to fit around it? It looks super awkward taking screen space away from apps in that shape.

Edited 2017-09-13 07:59 UTC
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RE[4]: Boring
By darknexus on 2017-09-13 11:39:44
> Does apple TV force you to connect through goog^H^H^H^H apple's servers? That's a pretty big gripe I have with google's offerings.
Only if you want to use Apple services. Airplay audio and video go over the local LAN with no server intervention.
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RE: Comment by Troels
By Bill Shooter of Bul on 2017-09-13 14:25:43
Go still exists near me. I see hordes marching outside my office all staring at their screens, no verbal communication amongst the group. Its apocalyptic to watch.
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It makes me laugh when people complain of higher price.
By Sabon on 2017-09-13 15:23:01
It makes me laugh when people complain of higher price.

Do you expect a raise every year? Or do you expect to get paid the same amount for year upon year, upon year, upon ... you get the idea.

Guess what? Apple employees, employees of Foxcon, and people from all the companies that supply Apple with parts or services including assembling their products demand more money each year, IF they can demand it.

Do you think Apple is going to eat that money? No way. If they tried to, stock holders would remove Apple management and we would end up with the same kind of idiots that ran HTC and a WHOLE bunch of other companies into the ground.

Compare the newest, faster cellular phones speed compared to your desktop and laptop computers in the last 5 years. Guess what, companies spend a LOT of money making faster and faster chips for the phones and other devices.

They don't use old desktop/laptop chips. They use too much power and you would 30 minutes or less of power before you would have to charge your device again. Do you want that? My guess is no. You want something that has a nuclear power plant in it that is shielded so you don't get cancer, and so you get an infinite amount of power for no cost. Now let's get back to the real world instead of the fantasy world.

Faster chips require more power unless they can figure out a way to make them increasingly smaller. So they don't just have to come up with something faster. They have to figure out a way to make it smaller and use less power too.

Take cars for instance. If cars gained more speed and abilities like cell phones and other electric gadgets get, we would be driving at over 1,000 mph/1609.344 kph . If not double or triple or maybe 10 times that, and the price wouldn't have gone up anywhere near as much as car prices have gone up.
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Apple TV
By Sabon on 2017-09-13 15:27:43
Apple TV with play anything that you have in iTunes, no matter how you got it. In Windows or Mac you can import music and movies into iTunes. Your Apple TV then syncs with iTunes and can then play those songs/movies/pictures onto your TV screen. Or you can play them on your iPhone or iPad or Windows or Mac onto your TV screen through Apple TV.

If you have a cable TV account. You can download apps for the channels that you have and go to a website and put in a code and then watch shows from those channels in Apple TV.

Read up on it. It does quite a bit. However, I have TiVo and don't think I'm gong to upgrade until my wife demands that I do when she has 4K movies in iTunes that she wants to watch through Apple TV. Note, TiVo also will play 4K content from pretty much every service that Apple TV does and more, except no Apple TV.
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RE: Boring
By ilovebeer on 2017-09-13 16:07:49
I'm not sure your Qi vs. wifi comparison is all that good. Both provide a service that does not require physically connecting a device (via wire), and both only work when you're within range. If you don't have to plug a wire into your phone to charge it, it is being charged wirelessly. There's really no controversy here. Perhaps you meant to say you want over-the-air charging. But then don't we all.
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Comment by ilovebeer
By ilovebeer on 2017-09-13 16:09:29
$1000+ for a cellphone? Never.
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RE[2]: Boring
By zima on 2017-09-13 17:19:37
Additionally, Qi is "wired" in the same way Wifi is - you still need to have wires going to the access point... :P (typically more of them for Wifi - Ethernet and power, whereas Qi carging matt only has power)
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RE: It makes me laugh when people complain of higher price.
By zima on 2017-09-13 17:26:04
> Compare the newest, faster cellular phones speed compared to your desktop and laptop computers in the last 5 years. Guess what, companies spend a LOT of money making faster and faster chips for the phones and other devices.
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Take cars for instance. If cars gained more speed and abilities like cell phones and other electric gadgets get, we would be driving at over 1,000 mph/1609.344 kph . If not double or triple or maybe 10 times that, and the price wouldn't have gone up anywhere near as much as car prices have gone up.

Meanwhile, in the real world outside of your Apple bubble, the prices of desktops, laptops and cars fell drastically over the decades... (and speed/abilities aren't most important in cars ...we got better comfort, safety and reliability)
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