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The rise and fall of LiMux
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-11-10 23:12:03

The LiMux (or Limux) initiative in Munich has been heralded as an example of both the good and bad in moving a public administration away from proprietary systems. Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) President Matthias Kirschner reviewed the history of the initiative - and its recent apparent downfall - in a talk at Open Source Summit Europe in Prague. He also looked at the broader implications of the project as well as asking some questions that free-software advocates should consider moving forward.

The LiMux initiative is one of the longest-running story 'streams' on OSNews. The oldest item I could find is from 2003.

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These are the candidates...
By JLF65 on 2017-11-11 00:23:00
> That all ended in 2014. The old mayor did not run for reelection, so a new mayor, Dieter Reiter, from the same party was elected. Reiter did not like Limux and was quoted in some articles as being a Microsoft fan. He ran partly on the idea of switching away from Limux.

Despite saving the city $16M (a little less than 12M euros), and despite the fact that they'll have to buy all new licenses for Windows, he's going to switch the city back to Window. I'd hate to live there right now.
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Comment by DefineDecision
By DefineDecision on 2017-11-11 01:08:50
<I have more opinions, but that'll have to wait until FreeBSD finishes installing....>

I've never heard a straight story regarding LiMux, especially what it was like in the trenches. It's always filtered through the lens of ideologues. I wonder how good of an idea it was, how it was implemented, and how much resistance there was not politically, but in the field.
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RE: Comment by DefineDecision
By jessesmith on 2017-11-11 14:11:45
I have noticed that too. It's always politicians talking about cost savings or productivity or training. The people in the offices, the end users and IT staff, never seem to be interviewed in these articles.
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Windows 10
By MechaShiva on 2017-11-11 21:27:33
As someone working in a state government organization supporting Windows 10 clients, I hope they have a good plan for tracking major OS build releases. Pushing out OS refreshes every 9 or so months is a giant pain in the ass, especially if you have software that doesn't cope well with the upgrade process. Organizations of this size are far more reactive than adaptive so unless the infrastructure and expertise are ready for the task, things are going to get much more expensive than they might be factoring. Managing windows 10 environments requires a skill set above and beyond anything required by previous versions of Windows. Yes, there is a great deal more flexibility in the process but the added complexity is nothing to sneeze at.
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RE: Windows 10
By oiaohm on 2017-11-12 00:29:03
If I am reading what you wrote right. This does not sound any better than looking after a Linux solution. Sounds worse in fact. So no 12 month cycle between major changes.

Sooner snappy and flatpak comes more common on Linux the better by the sound of it.
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Comment by Sidux
By Sidux on 2017-11-12 17:27:00
Not going to say most but there still are business people (and politicians) that whenever they hear problem with X software they think about it as a package (i.e: mail doesn't work - oh no, linux is not working again, we had an outage because network was down - that linux box again .. ).
Based on this it's usually about whoever comes with the best investment plan. What's inside doesn't matter after all as long as it works as advertised.
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RE: Comment by DefineDecision
By Flatland_Spider on 2017-11-13 18:40:43
LWN had a good article about this, but it's behind a paywall now.

The best kernel in the article was IT didn't have control over the situation and everything was fragmented. People wouldn't upgrade which caused bugs to hang around, so things spiraled out of control.

Interestingly, RedHat has finally realized controlling lots of Linux desktops is a problem and released FleetCommander. (https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php...) It's roughly equivalent to Active Directory's GPO and a compliment to FreeIPA.
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Kudos To Limux Munich...
By dionicio on 2017-11-13 22:04:09
Losing This Battle don't mean You're fighting the Wrong War.

Future efforts should pivot around culture management.

Tip: focus on ONE... Format. One by One. GRAB control of it, within gov.
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RE: Kudos To Limux Munich...
By dionicio on 2017-11-13 22:13:24
Most Of Gov Work can be implemented with simple text and lots of protocols. You Can embed media on base 64 there.

Unix is text based on excellent... reasons.
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RE[2]: Comment by DefineDecision
By oiaohm on 2017-11-14 00:01:13
Controlling lot of Windows desktops is also a problem.

Items like Freeipa that Fleet Commander depends on are still stuck in debian sid(unstable). So this solution is not very cross distribution.

There have been many groups in schools and governments managing Linux Desktops in the thousands to 10 of thousands using puppet. So I don't see lack of something like group policy as barrier that cannot be overcome.

Companies make their living providing third party windows management solutions for windows desktops so the windows side is not that friendly here either.

The big issue is always dependency hell. flatpak and snappy are starting to offer us a way out of that might be more generally used upstream.

People would not upgrade question why? The answer is more annoying simple.

They have X program with X version that is required to X. Now when X program is updated to a newer version you have cases at times that the older files don't open. So now you have be it Windows or Linux new copy of the OS where the old version of the program does not run.

Under windows people can be blocking particular updates from installing so key programs they depend on work. Yes windows blocked home users from blocking particular updates but with windows 10 enterprise people still can using wsus. So over time windows deployments start fragmenting the same way.

Most places that have long term Linux deployments have systems in place for dealing with this problem. Munich when the insanely increase testing route. Not solution to allow old on new and new on old when required.

By the way the suggesting of returning to MS Office is a laugh.
Reason why Libreoffice was looked at in the first place was Microsoft Office dropping backwards compatibility support.

Reality the choices of Libreoffice + Microsoft Office and Libreoffice alone make sense for something like government that may be required to look at 20+ year old documents about civil infrastructure deployments because you need backwards compatibility.

Also Libreoffice has enough unique features to stand on it own two feet.
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