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The rise and fall of LiMux
By Thom Holwerda on 2017-11-10 23:12:03

The LiMux (or Limux) initiative in Munich has been heralded as an example of both the good and bad in moving a public administration away from proprietary systems. Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) President Matthias Kirschner reviewed the history of the initiative - and its recent apparent downfall - in a talk at Open Source Summit Europe in Prague. He also looked at the broader implications of the project as well as asking some questions that free-software advocates should consider moving forward.

The LiMux initiative is one of the longest-running story 'streams' on OSNews. The oldest item I could find is from 2003.

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RE: These are the candidates...
By mkowalik on 2017-11-14 14:54:31
Rest assured, it's still a nice place to live, and honestly, what OS is being used by the city council is probably the least of the problem for (almost) anyone living down here.

Not once a conversation topic, outside the local Linux User Group, that is. The property rent price explosion on the other hand...

I personally don't even think the license price was an issue for the town - they have got MSFT to move in from UnterschleiƟheim to Munich lately, I guess that offset some of the trouble.

The Limux discussion was extremely political from the beginning, and I hoped it could work, but what I never understood was why on earth fork a new distribution - what did they win, beside extra maintenance job to keep LiMux in sync with Ubuntu?
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RE[3]: Comment by DefineDecision
By Flatland_Spider on 2017-11-15 17:15:21
> Controlling lot of Windows desktops is also a problem.

It's easier for unskilled hacks to get something basic going. Click a few buttons to get AD stood up; a few more clicks for GPO. Not needing technical staff with a deep understanding of all the pieces, and how they work is a boon for many organizations.

> Items like Freeipa that Fleet Commander depends on are still stuck in debian sid(unstable). So this solution is not very cross distribution.

That's not really a problem. Switch to the RH ecosystem. :)

Seriously, it's a Debian problem. There isn't a lot of interest from the Debian crowd.

> There have been many groups in schools and governments managing Linux Desktops in the thousands to 10 of thousands using puppet. So I don't see lack of something like group policy as barrier that cannot be overcome.

I'm sure there are. Unix has had the problem of management of mass deployments solved for decades, and it's not rocket science to get Kerberos, LDAP, and some config management setup, despite what some people think. FreeIPA and Fleet Commander are just shortcuts.

Going back to staffing issues. A lot of times management will get cold sweats when things don't have a GUI, and they kind of have a point. It's easier to hire unskilled hacks and sit them in front of a GUI then it is to find skilled hacks who can work a command line. The GUI front end for the unskilled hacks is the hole FreeIPA and Fleet Commander are really filling.

> Companies make their living providing third party windows management solutions for windows desktops so the windows side is not that friendly here either.

Windows isn't friendly in general. After all these years, it's still incredibly hard to do some simple things.

I only have to deal with a few Windows installs these days, and I still hate it when I have to.

> The big issue is always dependency hell. flatpak and snappy are starting to offer us a way out of that might be more generally used upstream.

Yes and no. People like to make a mountain out of dependencies, but it's really more of a mole hill.

Unix-like systems make it stupidly easy to adjust the environment and build your own file tree, so I don't see Flatpak or Snappy offering anything new or interesting as far as dependency management goes.

Interestingly, TrueOS/PC-BSD originally used PBIs, which were similar to Flatpak and Snappy, to package software, but in the end they went back to regular packages.
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