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Ubuntu 17.10: return of the GNOME
By special contributor Moochman on 2017-12-02 00:06:57

Ars Technica once again provides us with an in-depth Ubuntu review:

If you've been following the Linux world at all, you know this has been an entire year for spring cleaning. Early in 2017, Canonical stopped work on its homegrown Unity desktop, Mir display server, and its larger vision of 'convergence' - a unified interface for Ubuntu for phones, tablets, and desktops.

And now almost exactly six years after Ubuntu first switched from GNOME 2 to the Unity desktop, that has been dropped, too. The distro is back to GNOME, and Canonical recently released Ubuntu 17.10, a major update with some significant changes coming to the popular Ubuntu Linux operating system.

In light of the GNOME switch, this release seems like more of a homecoming than an entirely new voyage. But that said, Ubuntu 17.10 simultaneously feels very much like the start of a new voyage for Ubuntu.

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No difference
By Macka on 2017-12-02 01:03:38
This is one of the biggest problems with GNOME vs Unity or Xorg vs Wayland: There's no difference to most users. Normal users, not us geeks.

They've put in all this effort for what? Nothing! Users cannot tell the difference.
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RE: No difference
By judgen on 2017-12-02 01:24:24
Except that in Gnome3 animations lag, the window manager takes more memory than the entire DE in xfce of kde, the entire desktop is singlethreaded in an environmrnt where such coding is very much frowned upon and add to that the bad Poetting style of absorbtion of other tech.

Poettering fucked up logging to a state where it is almost as bad as windows, printing to a point where linux is no longer "plug and play" like it used to be with just cups, fucked up the sound system for an completely useless abstraction layer.

I left linux after 20 years for for the same reason i hate windows. If Poettering is a microsoft operative he definitely succeded in making the linux OS boring and full of flaws.
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This is needed
By DrillSgt on 2017-12-02 06:38:44
Ubuntu has been broken for years now, although it has provided stable packages for the most part. Every install always requires tweaking to the tune of an hours time or more to make it right, and then it STILL does not play multimedia properly. Same reason I don't use Fedora or Centos as a desktop, or Suse anymore, Mandrake (Mandriva), whatever they go by now. I go with Mint, as they took Ubuntu and fixed it so it actually works on install properly. I never understood why Ubuntu got so big...wait yes I do, the owner has money, no other reason.
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Comment by Sidux
By Sidux on 2017-12-02 08:38:55
The switch was because of shifting existing resources from desktop use to "cloud and IoT story for Ubuntu".
Most of the updates that came from this shift where only in this area, the others being left in a somewhat stable build (although the list of known bugs or "won't fix" ones for desktop version have been increasing since 16.04).
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RE[2]: No difference
By testadura on 2017-12-02 09:08:11
Come on. You're exaggerating, it is not all as bad as you are saying. I feel your comments are more of an opinion than an actual fact because you're disagreeing with the direction being taken.

Gnome is still running excellent after 4 years on my i5 laptop. We've seen a lot of functional improvements, without performance degradation over the years. No lagging animations here. At work i'm running it in a VM and there lagging sometimes occurs. But thats a price I am willing to pay for using a very well polished and consistent (!!!) desktop environment.
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RE[3]: No difference
By gqman69 on 2017-12-02 10:45:23
I am so sick of people saying: it doesn't lag for me. It's BS, it's beyond BS. You must not be doing anything with your computer.

It's a fact, by design gnome shell and mutter share the same thread. There is nothing they can improve besides seriously refactor gnome shell. Also, mutter is crap.

I do real work on my computer, i've got a 7900x and a gtx 1080, when i compile the kernel it slows the whole ui and when i listen to netflix the video sometimes skips. I have 2 screens and the problem is even worst because of the way mutter handles rendering.

Forget about wayland, not long ago the mouse was driven ON THE SAME THREAD as gnome shell! The mouse was behaving like in windows 3.1.

Just stop with my gnome works fine. It doesn't. You're not special.

The desktop in Linux is broken. We are in 2017 almost 18 and we have gone backward. There are good stuff here and there but everything is broken.

Gnome vanilla is horrible. KDE doesn't play well with gtk3 csd (no menu shadows for example). XFCE is dead? Compiz is still good if you patch it which i did. The rest is for the 1%.

I am a software engineer, i contribute to many linux project, like compiz, mutter and the kernel in different distros.

I've looked at the code, i understand the code. It's some of the worst crap i have seen. Javascript is stupid, mutter is a pile of garbage and I just hope Ubuntu will get in there and bring sanity. I hope Ubuntu has a plan to fix these issues. I want a modern, flexible all in one desktop that really works.
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RE[4]: No difference
By charlieg on 2017-12-02 11:05:47
Honestly, you should trying Englightenment or Moksha (fork of E17).

http://www.enlightenment.org/

Moksha is maintained by it's own distro, Bodhi:

http://www.bodhilinux.com/
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RE[4]: No difference
By agentj on 2017-12-02 12:14:56
Bluetooth support on linux is also unbelievably crappy. If you need to use extra tools to route music via bluetooth speakers and audio is glitching on 8 core CPU then system is unusable.
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RE[4]: No difference
By schadfield on 2017-12-02 13:01:11
Wrong. I spend 9 hours a day running GNOME on Centos 7 and I am very happy with it. Developing code with (mostly) Netbeans and running Glassfish, Apache & HHVM locally for testing. At the same time I am usually streaming music in the background. The performance is great and it is very reliable.
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Thanks GNOME 3
By paride5745 on 2017-12-02 17:34:15
Thanks to GNOME 3 I started to appreciate KDE Plasma 5, and I've discovered KDE Connect, which is a killer app IMHO.
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