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Ubuntu 17.10: return of the GNOME
By special contributor Moochman on 2017-12-02 00:06:57

Ars Technica once again provides us with an in-depth Ubuntu review:

If you've been following the Linux world at all, you know this has been an entire year for spring cleaning. Early in 2017, Canonical stopped work on its homegrown Unity desktop, Mir display server, and its larger vision of 'convergence' - a unified interface for Ubuntu for phones, tablets, and desktops.

And now almost exactly six years after Ubuntu first switched from GNOME 2 to the Unity desktop, that has been dropped, too. The distro is back to GNOME, and Canonical recently released Ubuntu 17.10, a major update with some significant changes coming to the popular Ubuntu Linux operating system.

In light of the GNOME switch, this release seems like more of a homecoming than an entirely new voyage. But that said, Ubuntu 17.10 simultaneously feels very much like the start of a new voyage for Ubuntu.

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RE[3]: No difference
By Morgan on 2017-12-02 18:01:49
No, Judgen is right. When you have to use an i5 based machine for Gnome to even attempt to approach the smoothness of Windows on a Celeron, you're doing something wrong.

I've done a ton of independent testing of various distros, OSes, and DEs/WMs over the years as a hobby, and by far Gnome 3 and KDE are the worst offenders, though KDE is much better than Gnome by far (and I don't even like KDE to start with). Unity is much, much more performant than Gnome 3 on the same hardware, on par with Cinnamon. I'm baffled by Canonical's decision to switch, unless they really were hurting so bad financially that they had to scrap their UI team, as the various articles suggest.
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RE[4]: No difference
By cipri on 2017-12-02 18:06:13
> I am so sick of people saying: it doesn't lag for me. It's BS, it's beyond BS. You must not be doing anything with your computer.

It's a fact, by design gnome shell and mutter share the same thread. There is nothing they can improve besides seriously refactor gnome shell. Also, mutter is crap.

I do real work on my computer, i've got a 7900x and a gtx 1080, when i compile the kernel it slows the whole ui and when i listen to netflix the video sometimes skips. I have 2 screens and the problem is even worst because of the way mutter handles rendering.

Forget about wayland, not long ago the mouse was driven ON THE SAME THREAD as gnome shell! The mouse was behaving like in windows 3.1.

Just stop with my gnome works fine. It doesn't. You're not special.

The desktop in Linux is broken. We are in 2017 almost 18 and we have gone backward. There are good stuff here and there but everything is broken.

Gnome vanilla is horrible. KDE doesn't play well with gtk3 csd (no menu shadows for example). XFCE is dead? Compiz is still good if you patch it which i did. The rest is for the 1%.

I am a software engineer, i contribute to many linux project, like compiz, mutter and the kernel in different distros.

I've looked at the code, i understand the code. It's some of the worst crap i have seen. Javascript is stupid, mutter is a pile of garbage and I just hope Ubuntu will get in there and bring sanity. I hope Ubuntu has a plan to fix these issues. I want a modern, flexible all in one desktop that really works.


Thanks a lot for your comment. I'm so happy to see finally somebody speaking up. I'm so disappointed by so many open sources project that continue building uppon shit. Take for example the Qt3D module that is part of QT. It has been developed since many years. One of the main classes is Qt3DWindow. Like one year ago I report the incredible bug that when the it this class is crashing your application when the destructor is called. It was flagged a Critical... and one year later still flagged as "unresolved". If you are beginner c++ developer, and you write a class that crashes the application uppon object destruction, I cannot imagine that it takes you more than 1 day to get fired. This is the absolut minimum that one expects from any class that on object creation and destruction it doesn't crash the whole applcation. But for open source is perfectly fine. And the abosut big question is. This is like the main class in Qt3D, nobody ever tested it in all these years of development?
And when I tell that QT is shit.... the fanboys appear calling me troll. Same story with wayland. Also a piece of shit and the fanboys think wayland will be the next big thing. Sorry no.

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RE[2]: No difference
By Sidux on 2017-12-02 20:05:24
Still it came up second most used platform on stack this year (if not taking into account AWS).
Linux desktop can be a horrible experience in so many ways, but just for back-end services it does the job very well (you also don't need any GUI for this or even peripheral input)..
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RE[5]: No difference
By Kochise on 2017-12-02 20:06:11
I understand your pain, I suffer it too but about a different open source project. GCC. Look at those two still unresolved bug reports and for how long they are open :

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show...

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show...

And the recent 'man' (after midnight) "easter egg" also reveal the typical mindset in the FOSS community. Not even speaking about how everyone owes them everything and have to release their software under GPL because anything else is wrong and a sin.
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RE[4]: No difference
By Temcat on 2017-12-02 22:53:53
How would you rate the latest MATE?
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RE[4]: No difference
By VistaUser on 2017-12-02 23:19:23
I suspect that is an nVidia thing.

People have complained about it and AFAIK there are patches out there that help nVidia users.

If that is the case then yes, there are people out there that dont suffer from it.

Edited 2017-12-02 23:22 UTC
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Comment by Phloptical
By Phloptical on 2017-12-03 00:07:45
Everything old, is new again.
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RE[5]: No difference
By Gone fishing on 2017-12-03 00:24:52
Oddly enough Bluetooth works on the latest Ubuntu. I think it is my first experience of Bluetooth actually working without any fiddling.
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RE[5]: No difference
By Morgan on 2017-12-03 02:36:39
Performance wise, I'd say it's between Xfce and Cinnamon. I currently run it on a Raspberry Pi 3 via Ubuntu MATE Edition and it's quite nice on that little board. It's not quite an everyday desktop experience but then no OS/DE is on the Pi.

On a regular desktop machine I like it but I prefer Xfce as that's what I've used the most over the years.
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RE[5]: No difference
By kwan_e on 2017-12-03 03:38:58
> If you are beginner c++ developer, and you write a class that crashes the application uppon object destruction, I cannot imagine that it takes you more than 1 day to get fired. This is the absolut minimum that one expects from any class that on object creation and destruction it doesn't crash the whole applcation. But for open source is perfectly fine.

Who said it's perfectly fine? There are many similar bugs in proprietary source software that go unfixed for years, and all that exists is some hack workaround that no one knows why it works.

Or is that okay for closed source software for you?
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