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Ubuntu 17.10: return of the GNOME
By special contributor Moochman on 2017-12-02 00:06:57

Ars Technica once again provides us with an in-depth Ubuntu review:

If you've been following the Linux world at all, you know this has been an entire year for spring cleaning. Early in 2017, Canonical stopped work on its homegrown Unity desktop, Mir display server, and its larger vision of 'convergence' - a unified interface for Ubuntu for phones, tablets, and desktops.

And now almost exactly six years after Ubuntu first switched from GNOME 2 to the Unity desktop, that has been dropped, too. The distro is back to GNOME, and Canonical recently released Ubuntu 17.10, a major update with some significant changes coming to the popular Ubuntu Linux operating system.

In light of the GNOME switch, this release seems like more of a homecoming than an entirely new voyage. But that said, Ubuntu 17.10 simultaneously feels very much like the start of a new voyage for Ubuntu.

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RE: No difference
By IndigoJo on 2017-12-03 16:37:40
I do notice the difference between GNOME 3 and Unity. Neither of them are a patch on GNOME 2 circa 2007, which was about when that desktop had reached a good level of stability, but Unity was a valiant attempt to provide some degree of stability for Ubuntu users when GNOME changed out of all recognition, and to borrow Mac-like functionality such as the global menu and dock menus, even if they're a bit more awkward to program than the Mac dock menu. These days, Ubuntu has adapted it as much as it can to look like Ubuntu and to be fair this is the first version of GNOME shell I've left on a machine since it first appeared about 2011 or so. I've always found it unusable.
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RE[2]: No difference
By yoshi314@gmail.com on 2017-12-03 18:43:03
where exactly did you go from there, if you don't mind me asking?
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Thanks, but no thanks...
By brostenen on 2017-12-03 20:04:55
I keep to Xubuntu. The one I feel is simplistic enough and still provide features that I want. I don't care what other people do or use. I just do my thing.
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RE[4]: No difference
By ThomasFuhringer on 2017-12-04 08:24:22
Gnome 3 is probably to a large extent dragged down by GTK 3. As for the latter, there are probably a number of factors but what is mainly bogging it down might be the decision to incorporate 'web technologies' into the widget toolkit. All the rendering is more and more controlled through CSS.
It seemes to me design decisions on GTK are by now almost single handedly taken by a person called Matthias Clasen (https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/). That is very sad for those us who are invested in GTK in one way or another.
He has his own ideas for a GUI desktop architecture, deprecating and removing API functionality at will, reincluding it when it turns out the decision caused a mess and so on. Performance or lean design is obviously not a consideration.
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RE[11]: No difference
By kwan_e on 2017-12-04 11:43:03
Lack of people. Lack of time. Difficulty reproducing the problem.

But I suspect you'll dismiss any reason anyone can come up with because you're hell bent on pre-concluding that it's laziness.
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RE: Thanks, but no thanks...
By kwan_e on 2017-12-04 11:47:17
> I don't care what other people do or use. I just do my thing.

But you care that other people know that you don't care and do your thing.
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RE[12]: No difference
By Kochise on 2017-12-04 12:26:34
I bet GCC ain't maintained just by a couple of guys, and 8 years and a half is enough time to reproduce the bug that was documented fully. That's no valid reasons, try again.

You're the one giving too many void excuses to defend FOSS and it's lack of QC. At least that provides you with many up votes and me many down votes while I showed how much this situation is biased.
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RE[4]: No difference
By franksands on 2017-12-04 12:54:17
Uhhh, why do you think xfce is dead? They just released Xubuntu 17.10. I've been using Xubuntu 17.04 since it came out and it works very well. Light, bluetooth is great. Can't complain
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Wonderful distro(s) - even Ubuntu 17.10
By Odisej on 2017-12-04 13:34:19
Reading comments it would seem like everything was going downhill in the Linux world. My experience is different. I have never enjoyed using Linux on desktop more than now. No hardware problems at all - wifi, Bluetooth, graphics - all working after installations without a fix. Having three computers at home all are running either Fedora 26 or Ubuntu 17.10 and all do serve wonderfully, one as a laptop, the other desktop, and finally a multimedia/"game console" machine connected to TV. Gnome/Ubuntu/Fedora work wonderfully in all these scenarios.

True, it was a pain getting used to Gnome 3 back in the day but now pushing that mouse pointer to the top left corner became a habit even on Windows at work. It's damn annoying when nothing happens! Had to fix that on Ubuntu 17.10 though - with one single command. You gotta love that.

I for one am glad Ubuntu came back to Gnome. Like the articles says - they came back home.

Btw, if there was no Ubuntu many of us would probably never step so firmly into the Linux world. It was the kindest and the most user friendly distro back then. And if there was no Ubuntu, there would never be Mint.

Disclaimer: I am, I would say, a normal, average user - no excessive multitasking and two or three monitor setups.
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YMMV but
By Moochman on 2017-12-04 13:52:00
I use Gnome 3 at work every day and with the Dash-to-Dock extension it feels perfectly natural. Using Fedora and now Ubuntu on a 3-year-old i7 laptop with integrated graphics - in comparison to Windows 7 it really flies, haven't had a performance hiccup yet.
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