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Ubuntu 17.10: return of the GNOME
By special contributor Moochman on 2017-12-02 00:06:57

Ars Technica once again provides us with an in-depth Ubuntu review:

If you've been following the Linux world at all, you know this has been an entire year for spring cleaning. Early in 2017, Canonical stopped work on its homegrown Unity desktop, Mir display server, and its larger vision of 'convergence' - a unified interface for Ubuntu for phones, tablets, and desktops.

And now almost exactly six years after Ubuntu first switched from GNOME 2 to the Unity desktop, that has been dropped, too. The distro is back to GNOME, and Canonical recently released Ubuntu 17.10, a major update with some significant changes coming to the popular Ubuntu Linux operating system.

In light of the GNOME switch, this release seems like more of a homecoming than an entirely new voyage. But that said, Ubuntu 17.10 simultaneously feels very much like the start of a new voyage for Ubuntu.

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RE: YMMV but
By Alfman on 2017-12-04 15:52:13
Moochman,

> I use Gnome 3 at work every day and with the Dash-to-Dock extension it feels perfectly natural. Using Fedora and now Ubuntu on a 3-year-old i7 laptop with integrated graphics - in comparison to Windows 7 it really flies, haven't had a performance hiccup yet.


I wish I had a 3 year old i7 laptop, I have a 6 year old i3 that I bought used, haha. For average tasks it's still usable, but it can be painfully slow for some of the development I throw at it. I've been looking for something to replace it, but I'm finding that for the same budget as before, higher spec laptops have not really become more affordable. It's just hard to justify spending alot for a new laptop that serves as my secondary machine.
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RE[5]: No difference
By leech on 2017-12-04 18:15:44
The only time my Gnome-Shell seems to lag is after I've left something (I haven't figured out what it is yet, could be Steam, could be a video playing in flash, whatever) running for some time and then unlock my computer. Then I do alt+f2, type r, and it's all happy again.

Though now that I think about it, it didn't do it this morning, and I am now wondering if it's the weird monitor setup I have. I have two 2560x1440 displays at high refresh rates (144hz) and one 1600x1200 monitor at 60hz. Last night I left the 1600x1200 one off because I was playing a game in Steam and it always likes to throw the game there, so I disabled it to play a game, and left it that way until I woke up this morning and had no issues...

Will have to experiment with that, I already joined a bug about how on Laptops if you close the screen on the laptop with external monitors it locks the ability to arrange your screens. They were already working on a fix.
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RE[4]: No difference
By leech on 2017-12-04 18:28:46
> No, Judgen is right. When you have to use an i5 based machine for Gnome to even attempt to approach the smoothness of Windows on a Celeron, you're doing something wrong.

I've done a ton of independent testing of various distros, OSes, and DEs/WMs over the years as a hobby, and by far Gnome 3 and KDE are the worst offenders, though KDE is much better than Gnome by far (and I don't even like KDE to start with). Unity is much, much more performant than Gnome 3 on the same hardware, on par with Cinnamon. I'm baffled by Canonical's decision to switch, unless they really were hurting so bad financially that they had to scrap their UI team, as the various articles suggest.


Ha, this reminds me when a friend of my sister had been given an eMachine (remember those pieces of crap?) and I installed Ubuntu on her machine because WindowsXP was terribly slow on 256mb of ram. Then her video died, which was on the motherboard and I had to swap that out. Unfortunately I made a mistake and bought a motherboard that required PC133 instead of DDR1 (I think that's what it was, this was years ago). I only had 128mb of PC133 laying around, so stuck that in there. XP vs Ubuntu.. XP took about 10 minutes to load OpenOffice. Ubuntu took 5. It was long enough ago that it was running Gnome 2 though. That story still makes me laugh. It was really slow, but at least semi-usable under Ubuntu. XP was a memory pig.
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Linux sucks at the desktop in general anyways
By wallyd376 on 2017-12-04 19:15:28
I've never been less excited about a Linux release (or maybe Lunux in general) than I have been about Ubuntu 17. I've dislike Gnome in many ways for years and always have. Unity didn't help.

Linus as a server os is pretty much awesome and I love it. But as a desktop, i'm not sure it's ever gonna catch on in anything other than nitch groups. I guess my biggest gripe compared to MacOSX and Windows 7 or now later releases of Windows 10, is that Linux desktops just never feel polished compared to them. Unity was such a foreign and weird UI that I never got used to it AND I could never quite sell students or other business people on it either. Weird mixes of flat and realistic icons, strange uses of flat and bubbled ui.. Linux just looks and feels second class and that disappoints me because I so WANT to use a linux desktop.

Ubuntu is laggy and too foreign for the general populace to adopt. Kubuntu constantly crashes when simply dragging an icon a panel or opening the discover app.. Mint black screen of deaths with every upgrade/update. Fedora.. well fedora is fedora and still Gnome, but uglier.. Elementary is beautiful but hobbled beyond all belief -- I wish someone could do a linux desktop right that just worked with all the devs on the same page.

Who knows.. maybe I'm just venting my frustration and disappointment, but I can't believe I'm the only one.
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RE[2]: This is needed
By leech on 2017-12-04 19:57:55
Really curious about 2 things. 1) why are you upvoted to 6 just for basically saying you don't like Gnome (guess that's a question for everyone else). 2) What in particular do you not like about Gnome?
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RE[4]: No difference
By tidux on 2017-12-04 20:13:31
> I do real work on my computer, i've got a 7900x and a gtx 1080,

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. Nvidia drivers are GARBAGE, especially on Wayland. You get a bit more FPS in games but everything else is CRAP. Intel or AMD is the way to go for GPUs on Linux and has been for quite some time.
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RE[13]: No difference
By kwan_e on 2017-12-04 20:54:04
> That's no valid reasons, try again.

Just like I predicted. I don't even know what bug you're referring to, so I don't even have a context, but you're just showing no reason will ever be good enough for you because you're hell bent on your presupposed conclusion.

Try again.
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RE[14]: No difference
By Kochise on 2017-12-04 22:23:31
Obviously you don't follow the topic, I pointed the two bugs here : http://www.osnews.com/thread?651...
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RE[2]: No difference
By zima on 2017-12-05 00:25:12
> If Poettering is a microsoft operative he definitely succeded in making the linux OS boring and full of flaws.
So it's no longer Miguel de Icaza and Mono? :P
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RE[5]: No difference
By zima on 2017-12-05 00:26:39
Perhaps they should have used Qt... (ducks) ;P
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