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MATE 1.20 released
By Thom Holwerda, submitted by dylansmrjones on 2018-02-10 00:11:12

The theme for this release has been stabilising the MATE Desktop by replacing deprecated code and modernising large sections of the code base. We’ve also improved our window manager (Marco) and added support for HiDPI. Along the way we’ve fixed hundreds of bugs. Squished ‘em dead!

GNOME 2 is, in my view, one of the best desktop environments ever created, and surely the best desktop environment ever made on Linux. It was consistent, reasonably fast, had a lot of great, high-quality themes, stayed out of your way, and struck a decent balance between configurability and ease of use. Ever since GNOME 2, I've been sorely disappointed with the Linux desktop environments.

MATE is a godsend.

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Uh huh
By nnnnic on 2018-02-10 10:08:04
I second that. Being a Mac user for 15+ years I installed Ubuntu Mate on an old Thinkpad X220 and like it a lot. I set the Cupertino theme with menu on top and plank as my dock. Mate is clean enough, stable and doesn't get in my way.
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Agreed!
By dazzawazza on 2018-02-10 16:21:47
I use MATE on FreeBSD. It's not perfect but it's WAY better then all the other overly-blingy window managers out there.

The FreeBSD port isn't perfect, there are lots of little things that don't quite work but it's close enough (maybe it's the same on Linux).
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RE: Agreed!
By mezz on 2018-02-10 16:52:48
Glad that MATE is still in FreeBSD when I ported it about 4 years ago or so!
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RE[2]: Agreed!
By dazzawazza on 2018-02-10 17:29:59
well thank you for your hard work. I use it every day.
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GNOME and usability tests
By Sodki on 2018-02-11 00:48:53
Sun and Red Hat poured a lot of money and resources into GNOME 2's usability, doing lots of tests and research. Then GNOME 3 came along and threw all of that out the window. All I see is designers trying to come up with cool stuff, without any actual relevant input from users. I have many examples where basic usability principles were just completely ignored.

I do use GNOME 3 everyday, mind you, and I missed GNOME 2 terribly. The MATE project is been doing everything right: first they forked everything, then they dropped duplicates, then they dropped many more things that could use upstream instead, etc..

I say kudos to them, it's an amazing effort that is really appreciated.
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RE: GNOME and usability tests
By ssokolow on 2018-02-11 06:05:48
Agreed.

I've always been a little too "Exactly what I want or else!" to be happy with GNOME 2.x, but they definitely did a good job on the UX.

(eg. I currently run a mix of Plasma and Xfce's panel along the same edge of my desktop because I haven't had time to write a custom clock widget for Plasma that accepts "'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M' on a single line" as a format specifier... I also suspect that I might have dodged some KDE 4.x shirtiness by having an Xfce panel to hide that annoying cashew behind rather than trying to hide it behind a Plasma panel.)

Edited 2018-02-11 06:12 UTC
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I use MATE too
By mz721 on 2018-02-11 23:35:57
When gnome3 came out and Ubuntu went to unity, I just didn't want to have to deal with it. Maybe the older way is, objectively, not 'better', but it was familiar and I could get work done. Great example of open source where a demand/desire enables a community to create its own solution when the top-down decisions are unpopular.

It's interesting having this posted near the Win95 stuff, cos in some ways gnome2/MATE is a response to that.
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RE: I use MATE too
By Darkmage on 2018-02-12 01:58:46
GNOME 2 was the pinnacle of Linux desktop design. Sure it could be improved/enhanced and added to. But GNOME 3 was overkill. Search should have been made easy to access and use. Not take over the entire UI paradigm. The tablet shift was arguably a disaster for Linux and held back desktop progress for years. Even now that damage hasn't really been undone with many users jumping to XFCE and KDE fragmenting the GNOME user base. I went to XFCE4 and it isn't as nice a fit as GNOME2 was but it's a hell of a lot better than GNOME 3 and it means I don't have to deal with the pain of trying to get MATE to work on a distro that didn't fully support it.
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Comment by agentj
By agentj on 2018-02-12 05:12:03
How is support for large displays ? I use 1440p monitor. In Windows 10 and MacOS High Sierra (hackintosh, MacMini and MacBook Pro) everything looks nice and thin.
However when I install any Linux distribution the UI and fonts look like as if Linux developers were almost blind so they needed ugly large fonts which make 2560x1440 display look like 1024x768 which makes me want to use Hackintosh over any Linux distribution.
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MATE is great
By jeffrollin on 2018-02-12 14:10:43
Especially Ubuntu MATE. I'm currently trying out KDE Neon, but I'd be reasonably happy if MATE were the only Linux DE available.

Imagine if the only one available were GNOME 3. *Shudder*.
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